Is this force a central field ?

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The discussion centers around whether a specific force acting on a particle moving in a spiral orbit can be classified as a central field. Participants explore the relationship between the particle's trajectory, angular momentum, and the characteristics of central forces, including conditions under which the force may be considered central.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the force is a central field given that the particle's trajectory is defined by r=aθ, with θ increasing linearly with time.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the expression for angular momentum in terms of r and θ.
  • A participant proposes that angular momentum can be expressed as L = mr²θ̇, noting that while θ̇ is constant, θ² is not, leading to uncertainty about whether this corresponds to a central field.
  • One participant suggests calculating the velocity and acceleration vectors from the trajectory to express the force vector as a vector field, mentioning that checking if the curl is zero might be relevant, though not sufficient, for determining if the force is central.
  • It is also mentioned that checking if the acceleration vector is radial could be a method to assess the nature of the force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about whether the force can be classified as a central field, with no consensus reached on the conditions required for a force to be considered central.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their reasoning, such as the dependence on the definitions of central forces and the need for further exploration of the mathematical relationships involved.

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Is this force a "central field" ?

A particle moves in a spiral orbit given by:

[tex]r=a\theta[/tex]

if [tex]\theta[/tex] increases linearly with time, is the force a central field? If not, how would [tex]\theta[/tex] have to vary with time for a central force?

I believe that a central force is a function only of the scalar distance, r, to the force center, and its direction is along the radius vector.

I also believe that the angular momentum of a particle is constant when it is moving under the action of a central force.

Even though I seem to remember the above, I'm at a loss see whether or not the above is a central force -- nor how to modify it to make it one??
 
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What is the angular momentum, in terms of r and \theta ?
 
Gokul43201 said:
What is the angular momentum, in terms of r and \theta ?

[tex]L = r \times mv = mr^2\dot{\theta}[/tex]

I think ...

So, this means

[tex]L = r \times mv = mr^2\dot{\theta} = ma^2\theta^2\dot{\theta}[/tex]

[tex]\dot{\theta}[/tex] is constant (since it varies linearly with t), but [tex]\theta^2[/tex] is not constant.

So -- this does not correspond to a central field? Or am I still missing something?
 
From the trajectory, you can calculate the velocity vector and the acceleration vector. [Using Newton's Law, you can find the force vector.] You can express this as a vector field. Check if its curl is zero... (I believe this is necessary but not sufficient for a central force).

Of course, you can probably just check if the acceleration vector is radial.
 

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