Questions regarding Chemical Reactions

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This discussion revolves around two chemical reactions involving phosphorus and its compounds, specifically the formation of phosphorus pentoxide (P4O10) and phosphoric acid (H3PO4). Participants engage in calculations related to the mass of products formed from given amounts of reactants, as well as queries about related concepts in chemical reactions.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Fred asks how many grams of P4O10 are formed from 35 grams of P4 and how many grams of H3PO4 are formed from the same amount of P4.
  • chem_tr provides a calculation method for determining the mass of P4O10 based on the molar mass of phosphorus and oxygen, suggesting that the reaction proceeds to completion.
  • Fred presents detailed calculations for both reactions, including the moles of reactants and products, and the volume of O2 used in the second reaction.
  • Another participant confirms Fred's calculation of H3PO4 and suggests a method to find the volume of the solution based on concentration.
  • Fred expresses a problem regarding the calculation of liters of 0.500 M H3PO4 that can be generated from his previous results.
  • Alex72 introduces a new question about polymer reactions, prompting a suggestion to start a new thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple calculations and methods proposed by participants, but there is no consensus on the final volume of H3PO4 or the approach to Fred's last question. Additionally, the introduction of a new topic by Alex72 indicates that the discussion is not fully resolved and remains open to further inquiries.

Contextual Notes

Fred's calculations depend on the assumption that the reactions proceed to completion, and there are unresolved steps regarding the conversion of moles to volume for the H3PO4 solution. The discussion also reflects a potential lack of clarity on the relationship between the reactions and the calculations presented.

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Hi

I got two questions regarding the following chemical:

i) P_4 + 5O_2 -----> P_4 O_10

ii) P_4 O_10 + 6H_2O -----> 4H3 PO_4

How many grams of P_4 O_10 are formed in i) if there is 35 grams of P_4 ??

How many grams of H_3 PO_10 are formed in ii) if I have 35 grams of P_4 ??

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely
Fred
 
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Dear Fred,

P4 with every P of 31 g/mol makes 124 grams for this chemical (P:31, O:16, H:1 gram/mol). Find the appropriate mole number from there. Remember that 1:4 mole ratio is present to convert this into H3PO4.

I am sure you can find the grams of product as the reaction proceeds 100%.

Regards, chem_tr
 
Dear chem_tr

Thank You Very much for Your answer.

Here are my calculations.

First the chemical-reactions:

[tex] P_4 + 5O_2 \rightarrow \mathrm{P_4 O_{10}} \mathrm{(i)} [/tex]

[tex]P_4 O_{10} + 6 H_2 O \rightarrow 4 H_3 PO_{4} \mathrm{(ii)}[/tex]

a) Calculating the mass of [tex]\mathrm{P_{4} O_{10}}[/tex] then the mass of [tex]\mathrm{P_4}[/tex] is 35 grams.

[tex]\frac{n(P_4 O_{10})}{n(P_{4})} = 1 \rightarrow n(P_{4} O_{10}) = n(P_{4}) = \frac{m(P_4)}{M(P_4)} = \frac{35,00 \mathrm{g}}{124,00 \mathrm{g/mol}} = 0,282 \mathrm{mol}[/tex]

[tex] \mathrm{m(P_4 O_{10})} = \mathrm{M(P_4 O_{10})} \cdot n(P_4 O_{10}) = 284,00 \mathrm{g/mol} \cdot 0,282 \mathrm{mol} = 80,09 \mathrm{g}[/tex]

b) Calculating the mass of [tex]H_3 PO_{4}[/tex] then the mass of [tex]P_4[/tex] is 35 grams.

[tex]\frac{n(H_3 PO_{4})}{n(P_{4} O_{10})} = 4 \rightarrow n(P_{4} O_{10}) = 4 \cdot n(H_3 PO_{4}) = 4 \cdot \frac{80,09 \mathrm{g}}{284,00 \mathrm{g/mol}} = 4 \cdot 0,282 \mathrm{mol} = 1,123 \mathrm{mol}[/tex]

[tex] \mathrm{m(H_3 PO_{4})} = \mathrm{M(H_3 PO_{4})} \cdot \mathrm{n(H_3 PO_{4})} = 98,00 \mathrm{g/mol} \cdot 1,123 \mathrm{mol} = 110,5 \mathrm{g}[/tex]

c) The Volume of [tex]O_{2}[/tex] used in (ii)

P = 1,0 bar
T = 25 + 273 = 298 K

[tex]n({O_2}) = 1,41 \mathrm{mol}[/tex]

[tex]R = 0,083 \mathrm{\frac{L \cdot bar}{mol \cdot K}}[/tex]

then the volume [tex]V = \frac{1,41 mol \cdot 0,083 \mathrm{\frac{L \cdot bar}{mol \cdot K}} \cdot 298 K }{1,0 \mathrm{bar}} = 34,9 \mathrm{L}[/tex]

Here is there I have a problem:

d) How many liters of 0,500 M [tex]H_3 PO_{4}[/tex] can be generated by the [tex]H_3 PO_{4}[/tex] in b ?

Thank You very much again for Your kind answer.

Sincerely
Fred
 
Hello,

110,5 grams of [itex]H_3PO_4[/itex] is 1,123 mol, as you found in your thread. As [itex]C= \frac {n}{V}[/itex], you may rearrange this equation to find V:
[tex]V= \frac {n}{C}=[/tex] and this is up to you.
 
chem_tr said:
Dear Fred,

P4 with every P of 31 g/mol makes 124 grams for this chemical (P:31, O:16, H:1 gram/mol). Find the appropriate mole number from there. Remember that 1:4 mole ratio is present to convert this into H3PO4.

I am sure you can find the grams of product as the reaction proceeds 100%.

Regards, chem_tr

dear chem_tr, please sxcuse me jumping in here I've just joined and i need to ask a general Q re polymer reactions. should i continue or...?
 
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Alex72, please start a new thread with your polymer reaction question.
 

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