How Do Torque and Work Relate in Physical Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between torque and work in physical systems, specifically through two problems involving horses pulling a drill and the work done by biceps when lifting a mass. Participants are exploring how to relate these concepts in the context of mechanics.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the work done by horses pulling a drill and the torque involved, expressing confusion about how to relate torque to work. They also question how to approach the problem of work done by biceps when lifting a mass.
  • Some participants clarify the equation for torque and suggest starting with the vertical distance for the second problem, while others point out potential misunderstandings regarding vector and scalar quantities.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and guidance on the concepts of torque and work. There is recognition of confusion regarding the application of these concepts, and some productive direction has been provided, particularly in defining torque and suggesting initial steps for the second problem.

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1. Four horses together pull an old-fashioned drill of the type used to make big guns. It has four levers mounted horizontally on a revolving central axes. Assuming each horse pulls at the same angle of 45 degress to the radial lever of the drill, and pulls with a given force, T, how much work do the horses perform together over one full revolution of the drill?

I got as far as drawing out the picture of this problem and starting the work: First of all the Work of one revolution is equal to 2*pi*torque right? Then in trying to find the torque... this is where I get confused.

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2. How much work do the biceps perform when lifting a 2 kg mass from the lower arm positioned 45 degrees downward to horizontal?

This problem I don't even know where to start.

Both of these problems involve torque and work but i am not sure how to relate them.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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MLoren said:
I got as far as drawing out the picture of this problem and starting the work: First of all the Work of one revolution is equal to 2*pi*torque right?
Right.
Then in trying to find the torque... this is where I get confused.
The torque exerted by a force about an axis is [itex]\tau = \vec{r}\times\vec{F} = r F sin\theta[/itex], where r is the distance from the axis to the point where the force is applied and [itex]\theta[/itex] is the angle the force makes with the radial vector.

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2. How much work do the biceps perform when lifting a 2 kg mass from the lower arm positioned 45 degrees downward to horizontal?
Since the work is done against gravity, start by finding the vertical distance the mass is lifted.
 
Minor point, Al, but you have equated a vector to scalars. Obviously it's not what you meant.
 
Tide said:
Minor point, Al, but you have equated a vector to scalars. Obviously it's not what you meant.
You caught me being lazy, Tide! :blushing:
Yes, the torque is a vector. [itex]r F sin\theta[/itex] is just the magnitude of the torque.
 

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