Confused about Acid and Base Reactions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concepts of acids and bases in chemistry, exploring different theories that explain their behavior and properties. Participants express confusion about the fundamental nature of acids and bases, and various theoretical frameworks are presented to clarify these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of acids and bases despite understanding chemical bonding and quantum physics.
  • Another participant outlines three theories: Bronsted-Lowry Theory, which focuses on hydrogen proton exchange; Lewis Theory, which involves electron pair exchange; and Arrhenius Theory, which defines acids and bases based on their behavior in water.
  • A later reply suggests that molecular orbital theory could provide insight, explaining acids as electron-deficient and bases as having electron pairs in specific molecular orbitals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing theories regarding acids and bases, and there is no consensus on a single explanation. The discussion remains unresolved as different perspectives are shared without agreement on which theory is superior.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various theories without fully exploring the limitations or assumptions inherent in each. The discussion does not clarify how these theories interrelate or their applicability in different contexts.

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I feel like an idiot asking this in a chemistry forum, but I have looked everywhere. I don't understand what acid and bases are, and how they work. I understand chemical bonding down to quantum physics, but I just don't understand this, what is happening in an acid?
 
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Well, there are two theories that explain Acid and Bases. One is Bronsted-Lowry Theory which deals with the Hydrogen Proton exchange, and the other is Lewis Theory whish deals with a pair of electrons exchange. The first theory limits acids and bases greatly, while the second allows substances in the first theories that are not considered acid to be an acid.

Look up Bronsted-Lowry Theory of Acid and Bases, and Lewis Theory.
By the way, there was this other theory i believe it was from Arrhenius (Spelling?), which consisted in simply putting a substance in water, and if it showed H+ ions it was an acid, and if it showed OH- ions it was a base.
 
Helpful site

This is a really helpful site for acids and bases

http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch11/acidbaseframe.html
 
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Dear Dual Op Amp,

If you understand quantum physics, maybe molecular orbital theory may be of great help. Acids are generally electron-deficient or wants to send electrons outside; in molecular orbital theory, we explain these with electron absence in antibonding orbitals or in LUMO (lowest unoccupied molecular orbital) energy level.

A base, in turn, can be explained with electron-pair presence in HOMO (highest occupied molecular orbital); if it is a non-bonding molecular orbital, the basicity is too strong to be stable enough.

Hope this approach helps you along with those posted by the other friends.
 

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