Could a Hollow Supermassive Black Hole Support Life Inside?

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The discussion explores the hypothetical scenario of a hollow supermassive black hole and its implications for life within it. Participants consider the nature of gravity, space, and time inside such a structure, as well as the potential for survival in a hollow environment surrounded by an event horizon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of a hollow black hole, questioning whether beings could survive inside it and how gravity would behave in such a scenario.
  • Another participant discusses the nature of space and time within traditional black holes, suggesting that crossing the event horizon leads to a loss of dimensionality and effectively results in death.
  • A later reply challenges the feasibility of a hollow black hole, stating that while the concept is intriguing, there is no known mechanism to maintain a hollow structure within a black hole.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of a hollow toroidal black hole, referencing the shape of the singularity in a Kerr black hole and questioning the mathematical treatment of space within such a singularity.
  • One participant reflects on the theoretical nature of black holes, mentioning that while effects of massive gravity have been observed, many aspects, including Hawking radiation, remain theoretical and not fully understood.
  • There are musings on the nature of singularities and the possible implications of matter entering and exiting black holes, with references to concepts from particle physics and cosmology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the exploration of the hollow black hole concept while others remain skeptical about its feasibility. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the viability of such structures or the implications for life within them.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the speculative nature of the discussion, highlighting the lack of empirical evidence for hollow black holes and the theoretical status of many related concepts, such as Hawking radiation and the behavior of singularities.

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I read recently about supermassive black holes and how they might even have a density close to that of water! Far out. It got me thinking about the structures of black holes. Would someone be able to survive, "swimming" in the center of such a body. Of course they'd be crushed but it got me thinking.

What if a black hole, was hollow?

Let's say the material outside of the central hollow of the, say spherical, black hole was large enough to create an event horizon. What happens to those within the 'hollow' of the black hole. Let's say they got their before enough material accummulated to form an event horizon, and lived there Dyson sphere style! I'm just adding narrative here! :E

Since the gravity within such a hollow, due to the mass around it, is zero, would bodies inside the hollow feel any gravity due to the black hole, and would they expierience any dilation as a result?

As a further query to tack on at the end, when hawking radiation has 'melted' the black hole away, will everyone still be alive inside? Or will the event horizon give way to a scene from the movie Event Horizon!
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Incidentally, I have also been interested in black holes. I am no physicist, far from it, however, from what I understand:

The notions of space and time change inside a black hole. The 3 dimensions of space disapear or have no more meaning as, according to the models, the timelines of all matter entering a BH converges towards the singularity. Not only you can you not escape from a BH once you entered, you can't move backwards, nor sideways, as there is no more "backwards" or "sideways". This also means that a person crossing the event horizon effectively dies even if it has not yet been crushed by the huge gravitational forces.
 
Aphex_Twin said:
Incidentally, I have also been interested in black holes. I am no physicist, far from it, however, from what I understand:

The notions of space and time change inside a black hole. The 3 dimensions of space disapear or have no more meaning as, according to the models, the timelines of all matter entering a BH converges towards the singularity. Not only you can you not escape from a BH once you entered, you can't move backwards, nor sideways, as there is no more "backwards" or "sideways". This also means that a person crossing the event horizon effectively dies even if it has not yet been crushed by the huge gravitational forces.
This applies to traditional black holes. However, he is talking about a black hole that somehow formed hollow. In other words, in some strange way the outer wall of a black hole condences, but the inside is hollow and so consists of normal spacetime. I can't think of any mechanism that could produce this. However, if in some strange way it took place, I imagine you would live in a confined three dimensional space surrounded by an event horizon. You wouldn't actually be *inside* a black hole, you would be surrounded by black hole space, and the "singularity" would be some sort of spherical construct. I doubt this is possible, however. I don't believe there would be any way to keep a black hole hollow.
 
Ahem... What if instead of a hollow sphere it would be a hollow torus. As I see a spinning BH (kerr?) has a singularity the shape of a torus (I don't yet understand why). Does math even cover the propreties of space inside that singularity? What if the BH were spinning on two axes?
 
This Black Holes were predicted by relativity yet data or confirmation is still theoretical.

Effects of massive gravity and the effects of the description of a black hole have been observed yet Hawkins variables are still obscured by data.

Basic reasoning can deduce that if matter enters than there should be an exiting if the conversion. 1+1 = -1 is not easy to comprehend.

There have been views that have noted the universe as in its ending stage en route to returning to that singularity proposed in the big bang. Both side of the time gradient of matter have been predicted and observed in particle accelerators. Both in negative and positive vectors this has been observed.

As history dictates what blinders have been fitted usually take a fresh look to reach the next level and suggestions shelve themselves until a seeker takes his chance.

Singularity can be defined by 1 and unless the fourth or mirrors are taken into account then the definition is <1.

The same question arises... How can that be?

I prefer to reason that what is above is equal to below.
 

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