Calculating PPM Iron: Iron Titration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the parts per million (ppm) of iron in a water sample using titration methods involving potassium dichromate and ferrous ions. Participants explore the redox chemistry involved, including the conversion of iron to ferric ion and the back titration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to start the calculation and the redox chemistry involved.
  • Another participant provides a formula for ppm and suggests calculating millimoles of potassium dichromate while noting the need for redox balancing.
  • A participant questions the inclusion of water in the reactant side of the redox equation, indicating uncertainty about basic concepts.
  • One participant offers a detailed breakdown of the redox reactions, including the conversion of iron and the role of water in the reactions.
  • A later reply corrects a previous assertion about the detection of ferric ions, suggesting that most iron will convert to ferric ion and precipitate.
  • Another participant describes their process of balancing the equation and calculating moles, indicating they believe they have arrived at the correct answer but are awaiting confirmation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confidence regarding the redox reactions and calculations involved. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial assumptions about the presence of ferric ions and their detection.

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Some participants mention the complexity of redox chemistry and the necessity of balancing equations, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect their calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in analytical chemistry, particularly those learning about titration methods and redox reactions in the context of determining concentrations of substances in solution.

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Please Help! I have no idea where to start with this one!

A 100.0mL sample of water was treated to convert any iron present to ferrous ion. Addition of 25mL of 0.002107M potassium dichromate converted the iron to ferric ion and the dichromate to Cr3+. Excess dichromate was then back titrated with 7.47 mL of standard 0.00979M Fe2+. Calculate the ppm iron in the original solution.
 
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Hello, it is easy one, so I don't find it useful to solve it for you.

You know that [tex]ppm=\frac {mg}{L}[/tex] for liquids, and [tex]ppm=\frac {mg}{kg}[/tex] for solids. This means that you'll express your result in milligrams in one liter of solution.

Find how many millimoles are there in 25 mL of 0,002107 M [itex]K_2Cr_2O_7[/itex], but note that you'll have to use redox chemistry to balance the electrons. I'll help as well as the other members if you stuck here. Subtract the back titration millimoles from this, and the remaining is yours.
 
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ok, i haven't done redox in 4 years and i remember how to do the balancing, but i am having a lot of trouble setting up the reactant side of the equation. am i wrong to include H2O in the reactant side? I know this is basic, but I still am having trouble.
 
Well, since redox chemistry is a bit tough, I'll help you.

[tex]Fe \rightarrow Fe^{3+}~+~3e^-[/tex]
[tex]Cr^{6+}~+~3e^-\rightarrow Cr^{3+}[/tex]
Then you find this, by remembering that dichromate is actually [itex]Cr_2O_7^{2-}[/itex]:
[tex]2~Fe~+~(Cr^{6+})_2\rightarrow 2~Fe^{3+}~+~2~Cr^{3+}[/tex]

The medium is aqueous, and potassium dichromate is a basic salt, so it is very likely that iron(III) hydroxide precipitates. You are right to include water in the reactant side:

[tex]Fe^{3+}~+~3H_2O \rightarrow Fe(OH)_3\downarrow~+~3H^+[/tex]

So, six moles of water per one mole of dichromate is reacted.

About the back-titration redox scheme, I'd write like this:
[tex]6~Fe^{2+} \rightarrow 6~Fe^{3+}~+~6~e^-[/tex]
[tex](Cr^{6+})_2~+~6~e^- \rightarrow 2Cr^{3+}[/tex]

As a conclusion, the back-titration redox reaction should be like that:
[tex]6~Fe^{2+}~+~(Cr^{6+})_2 \rightarrow 6~Fe^{3+}~+~2Cr^{3+}[/tex]

Note that this approach is not very logical as only trace amounts of elemental iron may be present in water; so you'll convert the redox equations for just Fe2+, as the present Fe3+ in water will not be affected so not detected at all.
 
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I have said in my last thread that the present Fe3+ will not be affected and detected at all, but this is wrong, I'm afraid. It is apparent that almost all of the iron present will be converted to Fe3+ and precipitated in a somewhat basic medium. Please review all the reactions, and give some feedback.
 
Sorry, I didn't get your last messege in time b/c I didn't check it again before class. I went ahead and got the final balanced equation, then I converted the dichromate to mmoles as well as the Fe2+, then I used the mmoles of the dichromate to due a molar ratio, which I think I got 6:1, then I took that answer and subtracted from the back titration. I think I got it right but it hasn't been returned to me yet, but most of the other students got the same answer. Thanks for your help!
 

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