Car Radio Waves & Doppler Effect: Disruption?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of the Doppler shift on radio waves received by a moving car. Participants explore whether the shift impacts the reception of radio signals, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of radio transmission and reception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that radio waves received by a moving car should experience a Doppler shift, potentially disrupting the signal.
  • Others argue that while the Doppler shift occurs, it is negligible compared to the bandwidth of radio signals, particularly for typical car speeds relative to the speed of light.
  • One participant notes that car speeds (2-3 m/s) are significantly lower than the speed of light (3x10^8 m/s), leading to a very small frequency shift that would not be noticeable.
  • Another participant highlights that for AM broadcasts, significant frequency deviations can still allow for acceptable demodulation of the signal.
  • For FM broadcasts, it is mentioned that car radios typically use phase-locked loops to maintain signal lock, which helps them follow frequency shifts without noticeable disruption.
  • A participant points out that while the Doppler shift may be small, it is sufficient to be relevant in radar applications, which are a specialized form of radio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the Doppler effect occurs but disagree on the significance of its impact on radio signal reception, with some emphasizing its negligible nature and others suggesting it could be relevant in specific contexts like radar.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions about car speeds and the definitions of "disruption" in the context of radio signal reception. The discussion does not resolve the extent to which Doppler shifts affect different types of radio broadcasts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying radio wave propagation, the Doppler effect, or the technical workings of car radios and radar systems.

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if a car with a radio is moving at some speed and it receives radio waves shouldn't these waves get Doppler shifted and the radio signal be disrupted?
 
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Anzas said:
if a car with a radio is moving at some speed and it receives radio waves shouldn't these waves get Doppler shifted and the radio signal be disrupted?

Yes, the radio waves are doppler shifted but the shift depends on the ratio of v/c which you can see leads to a VERY tiny shift (put some numbers into convince yourself!) The shift is entirely negligible compared with the bandwidth of any radio signal.
 
In theory yes. However car speeds are around 2 - 3 meters per sec, while the speed of light is 3x108 meters per sec. FM signal is typically 108 cm. A 2 - 3 cm shift would not be noticed.
 
Anzas said:
if a car with a radio is moving at some speed and it receives radio waves shouldn't these waves get Doppler shifted and the radio signal be disrupted?
For AM broadcasts you can be 'way off in the frequency and still demodulate the signal acceptably.

For FM broadcasts, it's so hard to keep a typical receiver on frequency that nearly all of them "lock onto" the signal and then follow it if the frequency shifts. Typical radios, particularly car radios, will follow the signal far from its "home frequency" before they give up on it. (Actually, this behavior probably falls out of the use of a phase locked loop to demodulate the signal -- once it's locked onto a particular signal it tends to stay there.)

So, combined with the fact that the shifts are very, very tiny, as other posters have already pointed out, the effect will be totally undetectable.
 
A car actually goes 20-30 meters per second mathman (65 mph is roughly 30 m/s).
 
The shift is enough to get you a traffic ticket as this is how radar works.
Radar is just a specialized form of radio.
 

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