Nth partial sum of a series Σ Ak is Sn = (n-1)/(n+1)

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The discussion revolves around finding the individual terms of a series Σ Ak given that the nth partial sum is Sn = (n-1)/(n+1). Participants also explore whether the series converges based on the behavior of the partial sums.

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  • One participant asks how to find Ak from the given Sn and whether the series converges.
  • Another suggests subtracting Sn from Sn+1 to find An+1, but questions whether this approach addresses convergence.
  • A participant states that convergence is defined by the behavior of the sequence of partial sums and prompts others to find the limit of Sn as n approaches infinity.
  • Multiple participants propose that Ak can be derived from the difference Sn+1 - Sn, but express confusion about the process.
  • One participant calculates Ak as 2/n(n+1) and discusses the convergence of the series, concluding that it converges to 1.
  • Some participants debate the phrasing regarding the conditions for convergence, particularly the use of "if and only if" in relation to the convergence of the series and the sequence of partial sums.

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There is no consensus on the interpretation of convergence conditions, with some participants agreeing on definitions while others express uncertainty or challenge specific phrasing.

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Participants have differing interpretations of the convergence criteria and the definitions involved, leading to some confusion about the mathematical statements made.

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If the nth partial sum of a series Σ Ak is Sn = (n-1)/(n+1) , find Ak . Does Σ Ak converge?

i looked in my math book and can't find how to do this.
 
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Try subtracting S(n) from S(n+1).
 
Either I or Tide misunderstands your question. Subtracting Sn from Sn+1 will give the An+1 but won't tell you whether or not the sequence converges.

The DEFINITION of convergence of a series is the convergence of the sequence of partial sums.

Can you find the limit of the sequence [itex]\frac{n-1}{n+1}[/itex] as n goes to infinity??
 
Ak= 2/x^2+3x+2. so you subtrack Sn+1-Sn. can u show me how that works. it just seems weird that, that is all u have to do. thanks
 
Kenshin,
Look at the last statement made by HallsOfIvy ...
Have u worked out what he said?

-- AI
 
Kenshin said:
Ak= 2/x^2+3x+2. so you subtrack Sn+1-Sn. can u show me how that works. it just seems weird that, that is all u have to do. thanks

To find [tex]A_k[/tex] yes, this is all you have to do (you replaced your "k" with "x" though, and also "n"). Do you understand why this works?

To answer the question of convergence for the series, see HallsofIvy's post. You have to look at [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}S_n[/tex]
 
Kenshin said:
Ak= 2/x^2+3x+2. so you subtrack Sn+1-Sn. can u show me how that works. it just seems weird that, that is all u have to do. thanks


Let A(k) be any series, and S(n) the sum of the first n terms, then S(n+1) is the sum of the first n terms plus the n+1'st term. Can you now prove the result that puzzles you?
 
I DID misunderstand the question! There were TWO things asked:

1) Find A(k) which is what Tide was responding to.

Since S(n), the "partial sum is defined as A(1)+ A(2)+ ...+ A(n),
A(n)= S(n)- S(n-1)= (n-1)/(n+1) - (n-1-1)/(n-1+1)= (n-1)/(n+1)- (n-2)/n
= n(n-1)/n(n+1)- (n+1)(n-2)/n(n+1)= (n2-n-n2+n+2)/n(n+1)
= 2/n(n+1).

2) Since A(k) converges if and only if the sequence of partial sums converges, look at
S(n)= (n-1)/(n+1). Divide both numerator and denominator by n: (1- 1/n)/(1+ 1/n).
As n goes to infinity, 1/n goes to 0 so the S(n) converges to 1.

Yes, Σ A(k) converges. In fact, it converges to 1.
 
I don't think you mean if and only if in part 2) there.
 
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matt grime said:
I don't think you mean if and only if in part 2) there.


? That's certainly the definition of "convergence of a series" that I learned.

If the sequence of partial sums converges, then the series converges to the same limit.

If the sequence of partial sums does not converge, then the series does not converge.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
2) Since Σ A(k) converges if and only if the sequence of partial sums converges,

I inserted missing Σ?
 
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The reason I didn't put a correction is that two spring to mind. A(k) converges if the sequence of partial sums converges, or by definition the sum of the sequence converges if and only if the sequence of partial sums converges, and I wasn't sure which Hallsofivy meant. It seems from your reply, that you intended the second option.
 
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Oh- I forgot the Σ!
 

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