Proving Orthogonality of Product of Matrices

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The discussion revolves around proving that the product of two orthogonal matrices is orthogonal, focusing on the properties and definitions of orthogonal matrices within linear algebra.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the definition of orthogonal matrices, the relationship between a matrix and its inverse, and the implications of determinants. Questions arise about the sufficiency of determinants in proving orthogonality and the correct application of matrix properties.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about matrix entries and determinants. Some guidance has been offered regarding the direct approach to proving orthogonality through matrix properties, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of orthogonal matrices, including the relationship between determinants and orthogonality, while also addressing potential misconceptions about matrix inverses.

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How do you prove that the product of two orthogonal matrices is orthogonal? I know that a matrix can be written in component form as [tex]A=a_{jk}[/tex] and that for an orthogonal matrix, the inverse equals the transpose so [tex]a_{kj}=(a^{-1})_{jk}[/tex] and matrix multiplication can be expressed as [tex]AB=\Sigma_ka_{jk}b_{kl}[/tex]. I think that is all I need to be using, but I'm not sure where to go from there.
 
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Think of some other characteristic of orthogonal matrices.
Think about determinants in particular.
 
Hypnotoad said:
the inverse equals the transpose so [tex]a_{kj}=(a^{-1})_{jk}[/tex]

As you've written it, this is incorrect. You don't take the inverse of the entries. If [tex]A=[a_{jk}][/tex] is orthogonal then [tex]A^{-1}=A^{T}=[a_{kj}][/tex].

There's no need to go into the entries though. You can directly use the definition of an orthogonal matrix. Answer this question: what do you have to do to show (AB) is orthogonal?
 
Galileo said:
Think of some other characteristic of orthogonal matrices.
Think about determinants in particular.

Well the determinant of an orthogonal matrix is +/-1, but does a determinant of +/-1 imply that the matrix is orthogonal? I know that the determinant is distributive [tex]|AB|=|A||B|[/tex], so the determinant of the product does have to be +/-1, but I don't know if that is sufficient to show that a matrix is orthogonal.
 
Hypnotoad said:
Well the determinant of an orthogonal matrix is +/-1, but does a determinant of +/-1 imply that the matrix is orthogonal?

No, it doesn't. There are matrices with determinant +/- 1 that are not orthogonal.

To show [tex]AB[/tex] is orthogonal, you can show directly that [tex](AB)^{-1}=(AB)^{T}[/tex]. What is [tex](AB)^{T}(AB)[/tex]?
 
shmoe said:
No, it doesn't. There are matrices with determinant +/- 1 that are not orthogonal.
You're right. I was so totally confused :redface:
 

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