Calculating Area of Hyperbola & Line Region

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of the region bounded by the hyperbola defined by the equation 9x² - 4y² = 36 and the vertical line x = 3. Participants explore integration techniques and the evaluation of definite integrals related to this problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes integrating to find the area, suggesting the integral 2∫₂³ √((9x² - 36)/4) dx and seeks confirmation on their reasoning.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial approach and encourages proceeding with the integration.
  • A participant shares their integration result, noting a discrepancy between their answer and the output from Maple software, specifically regarding the logarithmic term.
  • Concerns are raised about the presence of a factor of 1/2 in the logarithm and its impact on the definite integral, with one participant speculating that it may be extraneous due to the properties of definite integrals.
  • Another participant clarifies that the difference between the logarithmic expressions is merely a constant (-ln(2)), which does not affect the evaluation of the definite integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of integration and the resulting area calculation, but there is some uncertainty regarding the treatment of logarithmic terms and their implications in the context of definite integrals.

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There are unresolved questions about the simplification of logarithmic expressions and the impact of constants on definite integrals. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with integration techniques and software outputs.

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Find the area of the region bounded by the hyperbola [tex]9x^2-4y^2 = 36[/tex] and the line [tex]x = 3[/tex].

I'm thinking that I have to integrate for x, so I'll have the sum of twice the area from [tex]2[/tex] to [tex]3[/tex].
The function will be [tex]+ \sqrt {\frac {9x^2-36}{4}}[/tex]

hence, the integral will be[tex]2\int_2^3 {\sqrt {\frac {9x^2-36}{4}}}dx[/tex]
I just wanted to know if my reasoning is right


Thanks in advance
 
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It looks right to me. Go ahead with it.
 
when I integrate [tex]\int \sqrt {\frac {9x^2-36}{4}}dx[/tex] I get as an answer [tex]\frac {3}{2} x{\sqrt {x^2-4}} - 6 ln({\frac {x}{2}}+\frac{\sqrt {x^2-4}}{2})[/tex] however maple gives me [tex]\frac {3}{2} x{\sqrt {x^2-4}} - 6 ln(x+\sqrt {x^2-4})[/tex]

I used [tex]x=2sec(\theta)[/tex] hence [tex]\frac {x}{2}=sec(\theta)[/tex] so [tex]tan(\theta)=\frac{\sqrt{x^2-4}}{2}[/tex]

which I substituted into [tex]6(sec(\theta)tan(\theta)-ln(sec(\theta)+tan(\theta)))[/tex]

I know its Saturday night and any help will greatly be appreciated

Thanks
 
Weird, overall it gives the same answer, 4.2878 sq units, in both maple and on paper, however I don't understand how maple takes the 1/2 out of the ln.
 
Ok, I quadrupled checked my integral and it is right, it seems that even though maple does not display the 1/2 it still accounts for it.
 
i'm not sure but i don't think that the 1/2 over the guys inside the natural log have any impact on a definite integratl. combining the two you would get that sum of the numerators over 2. which would be the natural log of the top minus ln 2 -- which being a constant wouldn't be affected by variables.

why it's there, I'm clueless. the only thing i could think of is the values determined by the trig functions of theta, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
er edit: maybe maple simplified it out as it can be included in C indefinintly , and is extraneous in the case of a definant integral


i quickly worked out the same answer you had, i haven't ever used maple so i don't know.
 
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The only difference between


[tex]ln({\frac {x}{2}}+\frac{\sqrt {x^2-4}}{2})[/tex]
and
[tex]ln({x+ \srt{x^2- 4})[/tex]
is -ln(2) which is a constant.
Anti-derivatives can have any constant added and, anyway, cancels when you evaluate at the limits of integration.
 

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