Proving Limits of Series: No Integrals Needed

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of a series without the use of integrals, specifically examining the convergence of the series defined by the terms bn = 1/sqrt(n^2+1) + 1/sqrt(n^2+2) + ... + 1/sqrt(n^2+n). Participants explore methods to determine convergence and the value to which the series converges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to prove the limit of the series bn without using integrals, noting that they believe the series converges based on the convergence of 1/n^2.
  • Another participant questions the convergence of the series, suggesting that it does not converge and proposes a limit expression involving a sum.
  • A different participant asserts that the series converges to 1, challenging the previous claim.
  • Another response argues against the convergence, stating that the series diverges by comparing it to a divergent series, while also pointing out a potential error in notation from a previous post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the convergence of the series, with some asserting it converges while others argue it diverges. The discussion remains unresolved as multiple competing views are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the convergence of the series, including the implications of comparing it to known divergent series. The notation used in the limit expression has also been questioned.

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How do you prove the limit of a series?

For example, bn=1/square root of (n^2+1)+ 1/square root of (n^2+2) + ...+1/square root of (n^2 + n). I know this series converges since the summation of 1/n^2 does. But the only reason this is because of integration. How could I know that some series converges without using integrals, and then be able to find to what it converges?
 
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Ed Quanta said:
How do you prove the limit of a series?

For example, bn=1/square root of (n^2+1)+ 1/square root of (n^2+2) + ...+1/square root of (n^2 + n). I know this series converges since the summation of 1/n^2 does. But the only reason this is because of integration. How could I know that some series converges without using integrals, and then be able to find to what it converges?
Do you mean the series:

[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2 + n}} \ \ ?[/tex]

Because that series does not converge.
 
Doesn't it converge to 1?
 
Nope, since

[tex]n^2+n < n^2+2n+1[/tex]

the sum you've got there, modulo some initial terms, is greater than

[tex]\sum \frac{1}{n+1}[/tex]

so it diverges.

NB. cogito's post uses n twice as the parameter and the limit, it should be i inside the sum.
 

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