Mass of a hydrate before and after the hydrate was evaporated away

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The discussion centers around determining the ratio of water molecules in a hydrate, specifically CoCl2·xH2O, by comparing the mass of the hydrate before and after evaporation. Participants explore methods for calculating the value of "x" through weight measurements and molar mass considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about finding the ratio of molecules in a hydrate using mass measurements before and after evaporation.
  • Another participant suggests that the difference in mass before and after evaporation can be used to calculate the amount of water lost, proposing to divide this difference by the molar mass of water to find "x".
  • A participant questions the calculation method, suggesting a potential error in the mass difference used to find the amount of water evaporated.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the correct interpretation of mass measurements, emphasizing that the total weight before evaporation should be greater than the weight after evaporation.
  • Participants discuss the importance of using pure hydrate compounds and recommend using larger sample sizes for more accurate results.
  • Calculations are presented to determine the moles of CoCl2 and the corresponding moles of water, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the calculations performed.
  • Another participant confirms the calculations and notes that cobalt typically coordinates six water molecules, suggesting a possible formula of CoCl2·6H2O.

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Participants generally agree on the method of calculating the ratio of water molecules in the hydrate but exhibit some disagreement regarding the specific calculations and interpretations of the results. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of confirming the exact value of "x" without further experimental validation.

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Participants acknowledge potential errors in calculations and emphasize the need for multiple trials to minimize inaccuracies. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the purity of the hydrate and the importance of precise measurements.

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If I have the mass of a hydrate before and after the hydrate was evaporated away, how can I find the ratio of molecules?

For example: CoCl2 * xH2O (The * is meant to be a dot). I need to find "x".
 
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Yes, the hydrate formulae are found in this way, .by successive evaporations and subsequent weight measurements until a stable reading is achieved.

Suppose that you started with [itex]a[/itex] grams of [itex]CoCl_2\cdot xH_2O[/itex] and after several steps, you get [itex]b[/itex] grams of [itex]CoCl_2[/itex]. Then it means that [itex]b-a[/itex] grams of water was evaporated in the process, just divide it by 18 (molar mass of water) to find the overall x. Note that you may not be very precise in this calculation, so if you find [itex]x=2,5[/itex], you may conclude that it can be regarded as [itex]x=3[/itex], etc.
 
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Are you sure it's not "a - b"? If I try it as you said then I get -0.041 (a = 1.62, b = 0.88). This doesn't seem correct. Am I doing something wrong?
 
Yes, what chem_tr means that if a is total weight before evaporation, then b is to be the weight after evaporation... This difference gives the amount of water. (Definitely positive)

Of course, we suppose the hydrate compound is pure...
 
Mertas said:
Yes, what chem_tr means that if a is total weight before evaporation, then b is to be the weight after evaporation... This difference gives the amount of water. (Definitely positive)

Of course, we suppose the hydrate compound is pure...

[tex]CoCl_2 \cdot xH_2O[/tex]

1.62 is the mass before evaportation
0.88 is the mass after evaportation

[tex]1.62 - 0.88 = 0.74[/tex]
[tex]0.74 / 18.02 = 0.041[/tex]

How can this be right?
 
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Oops, I should have written [itex]a-b[/itex] of course. The positive difference between these two measurements gives the amount of water evaporated.

About the difference, [itex]0.041[/itex] moles of water is present in this compound, namely [itex]CoCl_2 \cdot xH_2O[/itex]. The molar amount of the initial compound is not known, but we may consider that [itex]0,88[/itex] grams of [itex]CoCl_2[/itex] is present, you can find the molar mass from [itex]Co:58.93[/itex] and [itex]Cl:35.45[/itex] grams/mol. You then set up a proportion equation to find how many moles of water are present in one mole of [itex]CoCl_2[/itex]. This will give [itex]\displaystyle x[/itex] you're looking for.

I recommend that you use greater amounts of salt and multiple determinations to minimize errors. For example, do the analysis triplicate at one time and use at least 5 or 10 grams of sample, then average the findings you obtained. This will be better.
 
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chem_tr said:
Oops, I should have written [itex]a-b[/itex] of course. The positive difference between these two measurements gives the amount of water evaporated.

About the difference, [itex]0.041[/itex] moles of water is present in this compound, namely [itex]CoCl_2 \cdot xH_2O[/itex]. The molar amount of the initial compound is not known, but we may consider that [itex]0,88[/itex] grams of [itex]CoCl_2[/itex] is present, you can find the molar mass from [itex]Co:58.93[/itex] and [itex]Cl:35.45[/itex] grams/mol. You then set up a proportion equation to find how many moles of water are present in one mole of [itex]CoCl_2[/itex]. This will give [itex]\displaystyle x[/itex] you're looking for.

I recommend that you use greater amounts of salt and multiple determinations to minimize errors. For example, do the analysis triplicate at one time and use at least 5 or 10 grams of sample, then average the findings you obtained. This will be better.

Could you tell me a bit more about this proportion equation?
 
Okay, first find how many moles are there in 0.88 grams of [itex]\displaystyle CoCl_2[/itex]. Then calculate this: "If there are n moles in 0.88 grams, 1 mole would be X". Then set up a second calculation, "if 0.041 moles of water is present in n moles of compound, how many moles of water are present in 1 mole of compound?"

I think you'll be able to do these.
 
First calculation:

[tex] CoCl_2 = 129.83 g/mol[/tex]

[tex] \frac{0.88}{129.83} = 0.0068 mol[/tex]

Second Calculation:

[tex] \frac{0.041}{0.0068} = 6.0[/tex]

I'm not sure what you wanted for `X', and I don't think I did the second calculation right.
 
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Congrats, and you're right about X, we don't need to use this, as we know that [itex]\displaystyle CoCl_2[/itex] is 129.83 g/mol. I did the same calculation and found 6.0, and it is very characteristic for cobalt to coordinate six water molecules in the form [itex]\displaystyle [Co(H_2O)_6]Cl_2[/itex].
 
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So from all this we get that the formula must be [itex]CoCl_2 \cdot 6H_2O[/itex]? Thanks for all your help!
 

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