Does Convergence of a Series Imply that the Limit of n Times the Term is Zero?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the convergence of a series and the limit of the product of the term and its index, specifically whether the limit of n times the term approaches zero if the series converges. Participants explore various approaches to proving this relationship, including the Cauchy criterion for series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if the series of (a)n converges, then the limit of (a)n must be zero, and questions how to show that lim n(a)n=0.
  • Another participant suggests using the Cauchy criterion and provides a hint involving the partial sums S_n.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how to proceed with the hint provided and seeks further clarification on the application of the Cauchy criterion.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach that does not rely on the Cauchy criterion, suggesting to take the limit on both sides of an equation derived from the series.
  • There is a discussion about whether the proof is inductive, with one participant asserting that it is not and emphasizing the need to show that if the series converges, then the limit of the terms approaches zero.
  • Another participant reiterates the original question, clarifying that the goal is to prove that if the series converges, then lim n(a)n=0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the need to show that the limit of the terms approaches zero if the series converges. However, there is disagreement regarding the method of proof, with differing opinions on whether the approach should involve induction or the Cauchy criterion.

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Participants express uncertainty about the steps needed to prove the relationship and the implications of the Cauchy criterion. There are unresolved questions about the application of definitions and the structure of the proof.

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I know that if the series of (a)n (n is a subscript) converges, then the lim (a)n=0. How can I show that if the series of (a)n converges, then lim n(a)n=0?

Or rather if a1 +a2 +a3 +...+an=0, then lim n*(a)n=0?

Not sure how to show this, but I know the proof involves the cauchy criterion for series. Help anyone?
 
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Hint:
Let:
[tex]S_n=\sum_{k=1}^na_k[/tex]

Notice that
[tex]a_n=S_n-S_{n-1}[/tex]
 
I am sorry but can I ask you for another hint. I understand that what you wrote is true, but what am I supposed to do with it. Using the Caucy Criterion for series, I know that there is an N such that for all n>m>N,
sn-sm< for all epsilon >0. But where do I go from here? Sorry for my slowness in comprehension.
 
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Oh, actually my hint goes with a proof that doesn't use the Cauchy criterion.
Just assume the series is convergent and take the limit on both sides of the equation.

Ok, so the Cauchy criterion is:
A series is a Cauchy-series if for every [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] there is a N>0, such that [itex]|S_n-S_m|<\epsilon[/itex] voor any n,m>N.

In particular, it holds for m=n+1.
Now write out [itex]|S_n-S_m|[/itex] and see what you get for m=n+1.
 
So this is sort of an inductive proof? We show the inequality holds for n=m+1, and since the an terms are non increasing, we know Sn-Sm<epsilon will hold where n>m+1. Correct?
 
Ed Quanta said:
So this is sort of an inductive proof? We show the inequality holds for n=m+1, and since the an terms are non increasing, we know Sn-Sm<epsilon will hold where n>m+1. Correct?
NO! It's not an inductive proof.
We have to show that IF a series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] converges, then [itex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} a_n= 0[/itex].

So we ASSUME our series is convergent, then we know that for any [itex]\epsilon >0[/itex] we can find an N such that [itex]|Sn-Sm|<\epsilon[/itex] for all n,m>N.

From the above assumption we have to show that:
for any [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] there exists an N, such that [itex]|a_n|<\epsilon[/itex] whenever n>N.
(This is just the definition of [itex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} a_n= 0[/itex].)

What I meant was. If you plug m=n+1 in |Sm-Sn| and write it in terms of sums, then...

(it's still a hint).
 
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Galileo said:
NO! It's not an inductive proof.
We have to show that IF a series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] converges, then [itex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} a_n= 0[/itex].

No, that wasn't the original question.

The problem was to prove that "If [itex]\Sigma a_n[/itex] converges, then
[itex]lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}na_n= 0[/itex].
 

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