Do Non-Radioactive Elements Have Half-Lives in the Periodic Table?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether non-radioactive elements in the Periodic Table have half-lives, exploring the nature of decay in stable and unstable elements, and the implications of entropy and particle disintegration over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that all elements have a half-life, suggesting that even stable elements decay, albeit very slowly.
  • Others argue that stable elements are termed so because their half-lives exceed the age of the universe, implying they do not decay in any practical sense.
  • A question is raised about the decay products of Iron, leading to a humorous suggestion of rust.
  • There is speculation about the half-life of hydrogen and whether everything eventually decays into hydrogen and further into subatomic particles.
  • Participants discuss the proton's half-life, noting that it has not been observed to decay, and mention that the figure for its half-life is a lower limit based on observational data.
  • One participant questions if all elements eventually disintegrate into simpler particles, leading to a discussion about wave/particle duality and the concept of heat death in an open universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether all elements have half-lives and the implications of decay. There is no consensus on the nature of decay for stable elements or the ultimate fate of matter.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of stability and half-life, as well as unresolved questions about the decay of protons and the implications of entropy.

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Besides the radioactive elements, do the other elements on the Periodic Table of the Elements have half-lives?
 
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Yes, all elements have a half-life. All atoms eventually decay. But some of the lighter elements radioactively decay so slowly that their half-life does not have much practical bearing on observational experience.
 
Thank You, Lurch.
 
Er... what about Iron? If Iron decays... what does it decay to?
 
Rust, I guess, Fz+.

Lurch, I have never heard this.
Are you pulling legs?
 
Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Rust, I guess, Fz+.

Lurch, I have never heard this.
Are you pulling legs?

Not at all. Just pointing out that the stable elements are called stable because they have halflifes longer than the supposed age of the universe, trillions of years in some cases. But the law of entropy tells us that even these must eventually break down.
 
What is the predicted half-life of hydrogen anyways? I remember it being very huge.

Thinking about it some more. If everything has a half-life, does everything end up decaying into hydrogen and then disintegrating into subatomic particles from there?
 
Proton has a half life of about 10^30 years, IIRC...
 
Has a proton ever been observed to decay?
 
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"Thinking about it some more. If everything has a half-life, does everything end up decaying into hydrogen and then disintegrating into subatomic particles from there?"

What were the ingredients of the 'Big Bang' soup?
 
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I don't think anyone has ever seen a proton decay. The 10^30 years figure (now pushed up to 6*10^32, I believe) is a lower limit. They got it by observing 10^30 protons for a year and none decayed.
 
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simplest substance?

if what is said is true,that all elements have a half-life, then it means that they would continue to disintegrate over time and would there be a stage where they would become the simplest form of particles and therefore stop disintegrating?
 
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Originally posted by selfAdjoint
I don't think anyone has ever seen a proton decay. The 10^30 years figure (now pushed up to 6*10^32, I believe) is a lower limit. They got it by observing 10^30 protons for a year and none decayed.

Yup, this figure is a moving target. Proton decay may never be observed.
 
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Originally posted by alchemist
if what is said is true,that all elements have a half-life, then it means that they would continue to disintegrate over time and would there be a stage where they would become the simplest form of particles and therefore stop disintegrating?

As we get down to the simplest forms, wave/particle duality becomes a real issue. Theretically, entopy would not be satisfied with individual atoms or even sub-atomic particles. If the universe is indeed "open", and does not end, and if entropy does not cease for some other reason, all energy should break down and distribute until there is nothing but a uniform background radiation. This is "heat death", and would be the end of entropy.
 

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