Orbital Motion Help: Calculate Altitude of Spacecraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the altitude of a spacecraft at the apogee of its new elliptical orbit after a burn from a circular orbit. Participants explore various methods and formulas related to orbital mechanics, including delta V calculations and the application of Hohmann transfer principles. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to orbital dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the problem and seeks guidance on calculating the new altitude after a burn.
  • Another participant questions the validity of using Hohmann transfer formulas and discusses the necessity of known constants like the Gravitational Constant or Earth's mass.
  • A participant provides detailed calculations for the spacecraft's delta V, thrust, and final velocity, leading to a proposed apogee altitude.
  • Another participant presents a consolidated formula for calculating apogee altitude, incorporating various parameters such as thrust and burn duration.
  • A later reply indicates agreement with the calculated altitude of 377 km, using a simulator for verification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the method of calculation, as participants present different approaches and results. Some calculations yield an apogee altitude of approximately 377 km, while others express uncertainty about the methods used.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions, such as the constancy of mass during the burn and the neglect of the spacecraft's position change during the engine firing. The discussion also highlights dependencies on specific parameters like the gravitational parameter of Earth.

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Hi guys and gals

I have been given this question and have spent so far around 4 hours pondering calculating researching and reading and have got no where except into a large state of confusion!

Its probably really really simple but i just can't seem to get logical answers and now i have done so many methods i don't know where i am.

Do you mind giving me some guidance? The question is below:

A spacecraft of mass m = 80000 kg is initially in a circular meridianal orbit of altitude H0 = 300 km above the earth’s surface. When the spacecraft is in the position A above the North Pole its two orbital-manoeuvring-system (OMs) engines, each of which has a trust of F = 25 kN, are fired during the time period dt = 35.5 seconds to increase the velocity of the spacecraft and thus to transfer it to the new elliptical orbit. Calculate the altitude H1 of the spacecraft at the apogee point B of the new elliptical orbit. Ignore the change in position of the spacecraft while the engines are on.

Use the following values for the other required parameters:
Radius of the earth: R = 6371 km
Gravity acceleration: g = 9.825 m/s2


the nearest i have is ~410km but got that using hohmann transfer and data that is not given in this question so doesn't really count!

Any help greatly appreciated

Hope this is the right forum to post it :S its my first post! :)

Many Thanks in Advance

Dan
 
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What did you get for your spaceship's delta V?

Why is using Hohmann transfer formulas cheating?

Are you forbidden from using any data not given, such as the Gravitational Constant or the Earth's mass?

Hohmann formulas use mu which is G*M, and without knowing either G or M, you can still compute mu with the info given.

a = mu (1/d^2)
9.825 = mu (1 / 6371^2)
mu = 398793222.825

I got a different final answer than you did. Post your formulas. I may be wrong.
 
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I'll post his formulas.

Re = 6371000 meters

R = Re + 300000 meters
R = 6671000 meters

GM = 3.98793E+14 m^3 sec^-2

Vo = sqrt(GM/R)
Vo = 7731.8 m/s

F = 2 (25000 kg m sec^-2)
m = 80000 kg

acc = F/m
acc = 0.625 m sec^-2

t = 35.5 sec

dV = (acc) (t)
dV = 22.1875 m/s

Vf = Vo + dV
Vf = 7753.9 m/s

a = 1 / { 2/R - (Vf)^2 / GM }
a = 6709564 meters

The perigee distance is the same as the burn distance:

Rp = R
Rp = 6671000 meters

e = 1 - Rp/a
e = 0.005748

Ra = a (1+e)
Ra = 6748128 meters

apogee altitude = Ra - Re
apogee altitude = 377.1 kilometers

Jerry Abbott
 
Or, to put it into one long equation...

apogee altitude = 2 / { 2/Rp - [sqrt(GM/Rp) + tF/m]^2 / GM } - Rp - Re

where

Rp is the geocentric distance of the spaceship at perigee (meters)
Re is the Earth's radius (meters)
t is the duration of burn (seconds)
F is the total thrust during burn (Newtons)
m is the mass of the rocket during burn (kilograms, assumed constant)
GM is the gravitational parameter of Earth (m^3 sec^-2)

apogee altitude comes out in meters

Rp is equal to the radius of the original circular orbit

transit of the spaceship during burn is ignored

The billygoat goes back to the barn

Jerry Abbott
 
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I get the same answer you do, 377 km altitude, using a simulator instead of formulas.
 

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