Where is all this Energy comming from?

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The discussion centers around the origins of energy emitted by atoms, particularly in the context of thermal radiation and infrared waves. Participants explore concepts related to atomic energy levels, electron excitation, and the relationship between temperature and energy emission.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of energy, questioning how constant emission of infrared radiation can occur if atoms have bound and stabilized energy levels.
  • Another participant explains that thermal energy can excite electrons to higher energy states, leading to photon emission as the electrons return to lower energy states.
  • A follow-up question arises regarding whether heat can be considered a source of energy itself and if one can exist without the other.
  • A participant suggests that the term "heat" may not be the best descriptor, advocating for "thermal energy" or "kinetic energy" to describe the energy associated with the motion of atoms and molecules.
  • Clarification is provided that at absolute zero (0 Kelvin), atomic motion ceases, which relates to the concept of temperature.

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Participants generally agree on the relationship between thermal energy and electron excitation, but there is some contention regarding the terminology used to describe these concepts, particularly the use of "heat" versus "thermal energy."

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There are unresolved nuances regarding the definitions of energy types and the implications of atomic behavior at different temperatures. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best terminology or the broader implications of energy emission.

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Where is all this Energy coming from?

Im very new to physics and have one big question. Maybe I've got the wrong ideas here but ill ask this question anyway. Sorry if the information is wrong, either I'm not understanding it clearly or read it wrong off the internet.

I read that "matter is energy bound together and stabalized" (photons, electrons, etc.). And that there is a quantized energy level that holds an electron to is nucleus (preventing for the electrons to speed into the nucleus), and that eletrons aren't "trapped" in their "shells" but have discrete energy levels that keep them in their own orbital, and that we measure this by the probability of an electron being at a certain area of this orbital in a certain point in time. (Correct me if I'm wrong, it's pretty hard stuff to understand lol)

Then I read about Infrared waves and radiation. At the atomic scale, when an atom or molecule has motion, such as vibration or rotation, it emits infrared waves at different frequencies (within the wavelenghts of Infrared).
Then I put two and two together and remembered that the hotter a molecule (or atom? not sure) is, the more vibration and motion it has. And the cooler a molecule is, the slower it moves (Thermal radiation otherwise know as Infrared). Therefore creating different frequency's for us to assign "false" colour. Red is hot, blue cold.

I think I'm at least on the right tract from here, like I'm said I am new to this stuff.

So my question is, knowing that Infrared is constantly emited by the constant energy of moving molecules in forms of waves. And knowing that atoms have stabalized and bound energy levels. How is there this constant emition of energy (such as Infrared) if atoms have bound and stablized energy levels? Doesn't the energy run out? Where is all this energy coming from?

I don't know if I made sense or even if that question is anwserable but it's been on my mind and I thought I would ask it. :smile:
 
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Thank you to anyone who helps me out with this. :smile:
 
When heated, the thermal energy is used to excite an electron in the atom to a higher energy configuration (an energy eigenstate corresponding to a higher energy); this is an unstable configuration. The electron then dexcites to its usual energy level, and does so by emitting a photon (since electrons and photons couple), which is the infrared or light you see.

Simple, huh?
 
Ah ok, i think i see what your saying. Heat is the source of energy that excites an electron, releasing photons in wavelenghts creating the Infrared.
When it's cooled the electron returns back to it's eigenstate energy configuration?

So heat can be a source of energy its self?
So you can't have one without the other?

thnx
 
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Heat is not a good concept; thermal energy is better; even better still is kinetic energy. When an object posseses heat, we mean it actually has thermal energy, which means that it's constituent molecules/atoms are performing random motion, jiggling about, but staying put in average. If they stopped jiggling, the temperature of the object would be -273degrees C, or 0 Kelvin. That's why there is no temperature below 0K, because at 0K the atoms have stopped jiggling. There is no further stopping to be made.

Heat is energy. You can't have one without the other, they are the same.
 
Got it, thnx
 

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