Why Does Stirring Sugar into Coffee Change Pitch?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of changing pitch when stirring sugar into coffee, exploring the underlying acoustic principles and fluid dynamics involved. Participants examine how the dissolution of sugar and the introduction of bubbles affect sound frequency and velocity in the liquid.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that the pitch of the stirring sound increases as sugar dissolves, suggesting a relationship between the dissolution process and sound frequency.
  • Another participant notes a similar experience when making chocolate milk, indicating that this phenomenon may not be unique to coffee.
  • A participant explains that the sound results from standing waves in the coffee, with frequency changes linked to the height of the liquid and the velocity of sound being altered by the introduction of bubbles.
  • It is proposed that the presence of bubbles makes the fluid easier to compress, leading to a higher velocity of sound and, consequently, a higher frequency of the sound produced.
  • Some participants question whether the presence of air bubbles would slow down sound travel, prompting further clarification on the relationship between bubble size and sound wavelength.
  • A later reply asserts that the velocity of sound in a bubbly mixture is actually greater than in pure coffee, due to the compressibility of air compared to water, challenging the initial assumption about sound travel speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have differing views on the effects of bubbles on sound velocity, with some asserting that bubbles increase sound speed while others initially question this effect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationship between bubble size and sound wavelength, as well as the specific conditions under which sound velocity changes in the mixture.

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when I'm stirring sugar into my coffee, the tone of the stirring sound gets higher and higher pitched...if you pay attention, it takes a while and it raises a lot but eventually it seems to hit a ceiling...what's going on exactly? I'm guessing that the sugar dissolving is raising the pitch somehow and that the top pitch is correspondent to the sugar being entirely dissolved...but why should that change the pitch of the sound of the stirring? how does it work?
 
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Hmmm, that happens when I'm making chocolate milk out of hershey's chocolate syrup and milk as well... I've never thought about it though.
 
Here is a thread which discusses this phenomena at some length.
 
The sound you hear comes from standing waves in the cup of coffee, whose frequency depends on the height of the coffe. While you stir this height remains approximately the same while the frequency definitely changes ([itex]f=v/\lambda[/itex]). The only way this can happen is if the velocity of sound is altered.

When you stir there are a lot of small bubblues introduced in the liquid. You might reason that the new velocity of dsound in the coffe will be someweher in between that of the velocity of sound in water and in air. But the cute thing is, because of the bubbles; the fluid is much easier to compress, yielding a larger velocity.

A larger velocity means a larger frequency because of the standing waves condition. This also explains why instant coffee works much better than normal coffee or tea.
 
da_willem said:
When you stir there are a lot of small bubblues introduced in the liquid. You might reason that the new velocity of dsound in the coffe will be someweher in between that of the velocity of sound in water and in air. But the cute thing is, because of the bubbles; the fluid is much easier to compress, yielding a larger velocity.

But wouldn't since there's air in it, the sound travel slower?
 
Mk said:
But wouldn't since there's air in it, the sound travel slower?

No; the wavelength of the sound waves is much larger than the bubble size, so they 'see' the coffee with bubbles as a continuum. So the reasoning: the travels a while trough the coffee, then it slows down in a bubble etc so the velocity most be lower than in pure coffee - does not hold.

The velocity of sound in a liquid is approximately

[tex]1/\sqrt{\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial p}}[/tex].

And this quantity is actually larger for the mixture with bubbles than in pure coffee. This can be easily seen: [itex]\sqrt{\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial p}}[/itex] is smaller for the mixture because under the influence of pressure the density changes more than it would in pure coffee. This is because air is far easily compressed than water.
 

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