Probability distribution problem

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a normalized wavefunction and its implications for probability distributions in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of momentum measurements. Participants explore the relationship between the wavefunction and the particle in a box problem, as well as the characteristics of the probability density in momentum space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a normalized wavefunction and seeks to determine the values of momentum where the probability density is maximal or minimal, proposing the use of Fourier transforms.
  • Another participant suggests analyzing the function sin(z)^2/z^2 to find maxima and minima, noting that analytical solutions are limited except for a specific case.
  • A participant questions whether the wavefunction can be viewed as a solution to the particle in a box problem, raising concerns about energy quantization and the implications of a zero momentum measurement.
  • One participant clarifies that the momentum being a vector allows for equal probabilities of movement in both directions, addressing the confusion regarding energy and momentum measurements.
  • Another participant reflects on boundary conditions relevant to the particle in a box problem and discusses the implications of stationary wave reflections on momentum eigenfunctions.
  • A participant expresses satisfaction with the responses received and indicates a resolution to their initial confusion regarding the wavefunction's relation to the particle in a box problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the wavefunction and the particle in a box problem, with some agreeing on the implications of boundary conditions while others remain uncertain about the wavefunction's classification. The discussion contains unresolved questions regarding the nature of momentum and energy in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical expressions and concepts, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the evaluation of derivatives and the application of boundary conditions. The relationship between the wavefunction and the particle in a box problem remains a point of contention.

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I have the normalized wavefunction u(x)=1/sqrt(L) when -L/2 < x < L/2 and zero everywhere else.

I want the value of p when the probability of getting a measurement result close to p i maximal/minimal. I seek for maximum/minimum probability density!

I was thinking of Fouriertransform u(x) to get y(p). Then take |y(p)|^2 -- that is the probability distribution in p-space isn't it? Then take d/dp(|y(p)|^2) and get the maxima and the minima of the function. The thing is that in this way i get a strange expression for the derivate and i don't find the maxima and the minima like i want! I can´t evaluate the expression i get!

Can anyone help me in this way or in another way please!?
 
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You need to find the maxima and minima of the function:

[tex]\frac{sin(z)^2}{z^2}[/tex]


where

[tex]z=\frac{kL}{2}[/tex]

and

[tex]p=\hbar k[/tex]

The maxima and minima of this function cannot be found analitically, except the z=0 maximum.
It would be quite useful to make a drawing of this function.
 
One more question...

Thanks!

I had it right but i just could not see it!

One more question. If you see the wavefunction above as a particle in the box problem! Is it a solution to that problem? A superposition of energy eigenfunctions should be able to build up the wavefunction above? In that case the energy is quantized and never zero? Isn´t it strange that the most probable value of p is zero when the energy is never zero?

Thanks again!

/Daniel
 
danja347 said:
Thanks!

I had it right but i just could not see it!

One more question. If you see the wavefunction above as a particle in the box problem! Is it a solution to that problem? A superposition of energy eigenfunctions should be able to build up the wavefunction above? In that case the energy is quantized and never zero? Isn´t it strange that the most probable value of p is zero when the energy is never zero?

Thanks again!

/Daniel

You are forgetting that "p" is a vector, while "energy" isn't. So if the most probable value of the momentum is zero, it means there are equal probability of the particle moving to the "left" as it is moving to the "right" in the potential well.

Zz.
 
Good answer!

Thank you for the fast answer and for clearing that up!

/Daniel
 
Daniel,


I had been first wondering if you were talking about the particle-in-a-box problem.
It caused me some trouble before I understood you were talking about a wavepacket.
Your last question now revives my problem:

If you see the wavefunction above as a particle in the box problem! Is it a solution to that problem?
My difficulty was about the boundary conditions that should apply for this problem.
I found a web site describing the particle-in-a-box problem.
There is also an explanation about why the wave function should vanish at the boundaries.
You will also find there the solution of the SE (careful: the x is offset with respect to yours).
As you will see, the boundary conditions produce a discrete set of solutions and energies.
The reflexion of the stationary waves on the boundaries implies that they are not eigenfunctions of the momentum.
The momentum changes direction by reflexion.
Note finally that [H,p]=0 inside the box, but not on the boudary.
On the boundary there is a force which precisely produces the reflexion. This force make H incompatible with p.
 
Thanks again for answer!

The original problem didn't involve the particle in a box problem! I was just curious about if the wave packet was a solution of the particle in a box problem and why the most probable measurement of the momentum would yield zero! But i think i got it all figured out now!

Thanks everyone!
 

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