Shigleys Indeterminate Beam Derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of moment expressions for a rigidly supported beam fixed at both ends and subjected to a point load. Participants are exploring the mathematical approach to derive these expressions as presented in Shigley's work, focusing on the moments M_1 and M_{ab}.

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Main Points Raised

  • Bugatti79 expresses difficulty in deriving the moment expressions M_1 and M_{ab} as outlined in Shigley's text, indicating that their attempts have not yielded the expected results.
  • Steamking suggests that Bugatti79's work is acceptable up to a certain point and reminds them that the slope and deflection at the right end of the beam are both zero.
  • Bugatti79 provides a mathematical expression involving EI, M_1, and other variables, questioning how this leads to the expression for M_1 in Shigley's work due to the presence of an additional b term.
  • Steamking advises that Bugatti79 should substitute for M_1 in the slope equation and evaluate it at x = L to find R_1, which may help in the derivation process.
  • Bugatti79 later confirms that they have successfully obtained both M_1 and M_{ab}, expressing gratitude for the assistance received.

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Participants appear to have differing levels of understanding and progress regarding the derivation, with Bugatti79 initially struggling but later reporting success. However, the exact methods and reasoning remain somewhat unclear, indicating that multiple approaches or interpretations may exist.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the derivation steps, particularly concerning the inclusion of the b term in the expression for M_1 and the implications of boundary conditions on the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Folks,

I am having difficulty deriving the moment expressions for a rigidly supported beam fixed at either ends and subjected to a point load. I have two attachments, one for the expressions given in Shigleys and the other for my attempted derivation.

The problem is that I want to derive the left hand fixing moment [itex]M_1[/itex] and [itex]M_{ab}[/itex] as in Shigleys. However, I believe my attempts are not leading to these expressions.

Is anyone good at these indeterminate derivations?

Thanks
Bugatti79



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NOte that I have posted this in the math help forum http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/f9/shigleys-indeterminate-beam-derivation-189693.html"

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It seems your work is OK as far as it goes. Remember, the slope and deflection of the beam are both zero at the right end of the beam as well.
 
Hi Steamking,

Thanks for your reply.
[itex]EI \frac{dy}{dx}=M_1 x+\frac{F(x-a)^2}{2}-\frac{R_1 x^2}{2}+c1[/itex]

[itex]EIy=\frac{M_1 x^2}{2}+\frac{F(x-a)^3}{6}-\frac{R_1 x^3}{6}+c1 x+c2[/itex]

applying the BC's gives c1 and c2 both =0.

Yes, I get 2 equations and 2 unknowns as below...eliminating R1 to find M1

[itex]\frac{1}{6} M_1 x^2 =-\frac{F(x-a)^3}{6}+\frac{F(x-a)^2 x}{6}[/itex]

I don't see how this leads to M1 in shigleys because it also has a b term in it. Also, I am curious how to derive [itex]M_{ab}[/itex]...
 
You have determined M1 in terms of F and x. You should be able to substitute for M1 in the slope equation and evaluate it at x = L. Knowing the value of the slope should allow you to solve for R1.
 
Dear Steam King,

I have obtained both M1 and Mab! Thanks

bugatti79
 

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