What Is the Correct Approach to Solve This Specific Heat Calculation Error?

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The discussion revolves around a specific heat calculation involving two water samples at different temperatures. The original poster is attempting to find the final temperature of the mixture using a specific heat formula, but has encountered an error in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct application of the specific heat formula and question the setup of the equation used by the original poster. There is a focus on ensuring the energy balance between the two water samples is correctly represented.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct formulation of the equation, suggesting that the original poster may have made an error in their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the problem setup, with some participants questioning the accuracy of the formula used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the final temperature must logically fall between the initial temperatures of the two water samples. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the correct application of the specific heat concept, which is central to the problem.

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Please Help! - Specific Heat Problem...

I have been stuck for a while, it's online (Webassign), so it told me my answer was wrong.
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A 6.3x10^2 g sample of water at 90.0°C is mixed with 4.45x10^2 g of water at 22.0°C. Assume no heat loss to the surroundings. What is the final temperature of the mixture?
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The formula I know is right:

(cp)(m)(Tf- Ti) = (cp)(m)(Tf- Ti)

cp= spec. heat
m = mass
Tf = final Temp
Ti = initial Temp
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work:

converted grams into kilograms...

cp water, given
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(4186) (.630) (x-90) = (4186) (.445) (x-22)

774.41x = 196365.26

x = <<<it says it's wrong>>>

Where did I slip up?

Thanks.
 
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porschedriver192 said:
The formula I know is right:

(cp)(m)(Tf- Ti) = (cp)(m)(Tf- Ti)
I think you mean:
(cp)(m1)(Tf- Ti) + (cp)(m2)(Tf- Ti) = 0
 
My textbook gave me the original formula...but would the one you gave yield a correct answer? Thanks.
 
porschedriver192 said:
My textbook gave me the original formula...
Are you sure you copied it exactly? The formula you gave makes no sense. Note that the final temperature will be somewhere between 22°C and 90°C. Thus one side of your equation would be negative, the other positive. Nothing good can come of that. :smile:
 
Doc Al,

I called a classmate, and he had used the same formula I did...and got the correct answer. After walking through my steps with him, I found that messed up here:

cp water, given
||
(4186) (.630) (x-90) = (4186) (.445) (x-22)

774.41x = 196365.26
It should have been 90-x
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About the equation...my book is right. It is on specific heat capactity, and states how the energy absorbed by one object must be released by the other, similar to conservation of momentum.

Thanks for the help, and I was eventually led in the right direction!
 
porschedriver192 said:
I called a classmate, and he had used the same formula I did...and got the correct answer.
Well... that formula is still wrong for the reasons I gave. (I'm guessing that you copied it incorrectly.)
After walking through my steps with him, I found that messed up here:

cp water, given
||
(4186) (.630) (x-90) = (4186) (.445) (x-22)

774.41x = 196365.26
It should have been 90-x
Right! I hope you realize that since you had to reverse things in your formula, that your formula cannot be correct.
 

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