Is Friction Involved in the Work Done on a Book by a Man Walking?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work done on a book being held by a man while he walks. Participants are exploring the role of friction and the forces involved in this scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants are questioning the definition of work and the forces acting on the book, including gravitational and normal forces. Some are considering the implications of the book's motion relative to the ground and the role of friction between the book and the man's hand.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that if the man is moving at constant velocity, no work is done on the book, while others challenge this view by discussing the forces involved and the concept of work in relation to acceleration.

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There is a focus on the assumptions regarding the motion of the book and the forces acting upon it, particularly in the context of constant velocity and the effects of friction.

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A man holding a book is walking, what's the work done on the book by him?
Is this should be accounted into the work done by friction but not by the man? Cheers
 
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What is work? It is the force exerted times the displacement in the direction of this force. So what is/are the force(s) exerted and what is the displacement in the direction of this/these force(s)?
 
How is the man holding the book ??
Hint:- He is overcoming the wt. of the book to hold on to it.

This should give you some idea about the direction of motion and the book's displacement.
 
Yes I know the work done by his hand is 0.
But the book is moving, the force applied is the reaction force of his motion, so what's the work done?
 
primarygun said:
Yes I know the work done by his hand is 0.
But the book is moving, the force applied is the reaction force of his motion, so what's the work done?

I think you can best find the work done considering the kinetic energy and noticing that friction (between the book and hand) does no work as they do not move relative to each other.
 
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da_willem said:
I think you can best find the work done considering the kinetic energy and noticing that friction (between the book and hand) does no work as they do not move relative to each other.

But isn't the book is moving relative to the ground?
There must have some force applied.
 
primarygun said:
But isn't the book is moving relative to the ground?
There must have some force applied.
No. Since there are no horizontal forces involved at all, the book won't need to be pushed along in the direction it is going. (Assuming the man walks with constant velocity).

The only forces on the book are the gravitational force downwards and the force by the man upwards.
 
Because the man is holding the book while he is walking, you can consider it part of the system. Thus no work is done individually on the book. And if the man is moving with a constant velocity then no work is done at all. The only forces acting on the book are the gravitational and the normal force of the hand on the book.
 
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Tjl said:
if the man is moving with a constant velocity then no work is done at all. As Galileo said

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
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Umm.. I do not recollect ever mentioning Galileo in that response. Actually I am sure I did not... because that does not even have relation to him.
 
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How about the force by man is vertically upward, and the man is running?
The friction is able to hold the book on the hand of the man,i.e. not falling+ staying at one position of the hand, what's the work done by the man?
 
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Tjl said:
Umm.. I do not recollect ever mentioning Galileo in that response. Actually I am sure I did not...


Well you took it away after I mentioned it... o:) so sure you do not remember it... (You were referring to the PF member Galileo though)
 
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No matter whether the book is accelerating or non-accelerate, the man is still giving work to it.
 
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primarygun said:
No matter whether the book is accelerating or non-accelerate, the man is still giving work to it.

Ofcourse it matters if the book is accelerating or not, do you remember F=ma? If the book moves with a uniform velocity the resultant force on it is zero (Newtons first law, aka Galileo's principle). So the work done on it is also zero.
 
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da_willem said:
Well you took it away after I mentioned it... o:) so sure you do not remember it... (You were referring to the PF member Galileo though)

I see that now :biggrin: tricky tricky
 

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