Proving" 2=1: Creative Ideas & Examples

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The discussion revolves around various creative and humorous "proofs" that claim to show the equality 2 = 1. Participants share examples and explore the mathematical fallacies behind these proofs, emphasizing their incorrectness while also noting their convincing nature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof using the equation e^(2*pi*i) = 1, suggesting that it leads to the conclusion 2 = 0, which implies that many other statements could be considered true.
  • Another participant references a specific "proof" that involves dividing by (a^2 - ab), pointing out that the error arises from dividing by zero when a = b.
  • A different participant clarifies that e^(2*pi*k*i) = 1 for integer k, indicating that the logarithm's multivalued nature is relevant to the discussion.
  • One participant shares a proof involving the manipulation of the equation 1/(-1) = (-1)/1, leading to the conclusion -1 = 1 and subsequently 2 = 0.
  • Another participant mentions a proof that involves the logarithm of negative numbers, ultimately arriving at -1 = 1.
  • Several participants express enjoyment in discussing these proofs, noting their complexity and the challenges they pose to understanding mathematical principles.
  • Some posts diverge into unrelated topics, such as questions about geometry and group theory, which do not directly relate to the original theme of proving 2 = 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the proofs presented are incorrect, but they do not reach a consensus on the nature of the errors or the best examples. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the proofs remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some proofs rely on unconventional mathematical manipulations or lesser-known rules, which may not be universally accepted or understood. The discussion includes various assumptions and conditions that are not fully resolved.

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Hey can everyone please post any/all ways they know of "proving" 2 =1? obviously they are all wrong, but some are more "convinving" than others.

For example, here's an old one to start:

e^(2*pi *i) = 1, so ln (e^(2*pi *i)) = ln (1) or 2 * pi * i = 0

clearly pi != 0 and i != 0 so 2 = 0. Although this dosent *prove* 2 = 1, from 2= 0 you can really show that almost anything is true.

any other ideas?
 
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I haven't seen that version. The only "proof" I've seen is http://mcraefamily.com/MathHelp/JokeProofFactoring.htm .

If you can't spot what's wrong with it, it's the dividing by a^2 - ab as you're dividing by a(a - b), which is 0 as a = b.
 
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But of course in actuallity:

e^(2*pi*k*i) = 1

And when you take the log of both sides it's the k that is equal to 0.

It's no diffrent from saying sin(2*pi) = 0, so 2=0
 
ln z is a multivalued function in C

ln z = |ln z| + iarg(z)

therefore ln e2πi = 2πi + n2πi for all n in Z.
 
anyother ways? there are more such as:

1/(-1) = (-1) /1
taking the square root of both sides yeilds:
1/i = i/1 or -1 = 1, 2 = 0
 
You seem to enjoy these kind of "proofs" T@P. I think most of the ones here were already posted here , with a bit of changing around. I love the last one in that thread, it actually stumped my Calculus I teacher, but not my TA though, not even for a second (he's working on his doctorate, my instructor has been teaching for about 25 years). These problems are fun for me now, I finally understand enough math to get what they are saying! :smile:
 
Question: not a Answer...consider the honey bee cell, regular hexagon, with side length is 'R'. we can find the distance between the adjacent cells, regular hexagons, centre's are sqroot3*R. how we can find the distance between the centre's of a cell's which are not adjacent
 
Give any group of order infinite, every element of that group is of finite order?
 
suresh_jeans said:
Give any group of order infinite, every element of that group is of finite order?

For any particular infinite cardinality [itex]C[/itex], take the subgroup of [itex]S_C[/itex] which only contains permutations that permute a finite number of elements.
 
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(1) X = Y Given
(2) X^2 = XY Multiply both sides by X
(3) X^2 - Y^2 = XY - Y^2 Subtract Y^2 from both sides
(4) (X+Y)(X-Y) = Y(X-Y) Factor both sides
(5) (X+Y) = Y Cancel out common factors
(6) Y+Y = Y Substitute in from line (1)
(7) 2Y = Y Collect the Y's
(8) 2 = 1 Divide both sides by Y
 
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thats fancily dividing by 0, since x = y you cannot divide by (x-y)

i was looking more for proofs that rely on little known rules, but thanks for your input anyway :)
 
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Here's one:

(-x)^2 = x^2
log[(-x)^2] = log(x^2)
2 log(-x) = 2 log(x)
log (-x) = log (x)
-x = x
-1 = 1
 

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