Evaluating 12 C 2: How to Simplify Without a Calculator

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the combinatorial expression 12 C 2 without the use of a calculator. Participants explore methods for simplification and delve into the properties of binomial coefficients.

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  • One participant suggests simplifying 12 C 2 using the factorial formula 12! / (10!2!) and asks for easier methods.
  • Another participant recommends computing it step-by-step, emphasizing cancellation of terms to arrive at the result of 66.
  • Further contributions reiterate the cancellation process, confirming that 12 C 2 simplifies to 66 through the same method.
  • One participant poses a question regarding why nCr yields a positive integer when n > r, prompting a discussion on the properties of binomial coefficients.
  • Responses to the question reference the identity (n+1)Cr = nCr + nC(r-1) and the combinatorial interpretation of nCr, suggesting that these properties ensure the result is always an integer.
  • Another participant echoes the earlier question about the positivity of nCr, reinforcing the discussion on binomial coefficients and their integer nature.

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Participants generally agree on the simplification method for 12 C 2, arriving at the same numerical result. However, there is a broader discussion on the properties of binomial coefficients that raises questions, indicating some level of uncertainty and exploration rather than consensus.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of factorials and binomial coefficients, but these are not fully resolved or proven within the thread.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in combinatorics, particularly those looking to understand simplification techniques and the foundational properties of binomial coefficients.

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Ok just a basic question. We are given 12 C 2 to evaluate. Which equals

12! / (10!2!)

Is there an easier way to simplify it. We are asked to do it without a calculator.

Thanks.
 
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Compute it. Write it all out. Lots of stuff to cancel out.

You'll end up with 12*11/2 = 6*11 = 66
 
Cancel everything you can with the larger factorial in the denominator.

12!/10!= 12*11 so 12!/(10!)(2!)= 12*11/2= 6*11= 66.
 
This is something of an elementary question, but why is it always true that nCr where n>r would always yield a positive integer?
 
That's a good question. The identity (n+1)Cr=nCr+nC(r-1), valid if n>=1 and 1<=r<=n, is easy enough to prove using nCr=n!/((n-r)! r!). Also, nC0=nCn=1 for all n>=0. These facts embody the construction of Pascal's triangle and let you prove by induction (on n) that nCr is always an integer since it's either 1 or it's the sum of two integers.

You can also think of the combinatorial definition of nCr, the number of r-subsets of an n-set. This is definitely an integer. Of course then you'd have to prove that the factorial expression for nCr is correct...
 
Ethereal said:
This is something of an elementary question, but why is it always true that nCr where n>r would always yield a positive integer?

The nCr are binomial coefficients with the property that n+1Cr = nCr-1 + nCr (think of Pascal's Triangle) with nCn = 1 = nC0. Since 0C0 = 1 it follows that all nCr are integers.
 
Shmoe beat me to it! :-)
 

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