Strange resistor voltage curve in an RC

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around unexpected voltage readings in a series RC circuit with an AC emf. Participants explore potential causes for the observed voltage behavior, including equipment limitations and circuit characteristics. The focus includes technical explanations and troubleshooting methods related to the measurement of AC signals.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes observing superimposed sinusoidal curves in voltage readings across a resistor in an RC circuit, suggesting possible premature discharging of the capacitor or effects of the time constant.
  • Another participant proposes that the strange readings may be due to 60 hertz noise affecting the digital voltmeter's measurements.
  • A different contributor highlights the limitations of digital voltmeters in sampling waveforms, suggesting that the sampling rate may not be synchronous with the input waveform.
  • Concerns are raised about the capacitor's voltage rating and its potential impact on the observed behavior, particularly if it is an electrolytic capacitor.
  • A later reply confirms that using an oscilloscope resolved the issue, showing expected sine curves and indicating that the digital voltmeter was likely the source of the problem.
  • One participant reflects on the challenges of sampling a low-frequency sine wave with a digital voltmeter, questioning the appropriateness of the equipment used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the digital voltmeter's limitations contributed to the unexpected readings, but there is no consensus on the initial interpretations of the circuit behavior or the role of the capacitor.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for noise interference, the sampling rate of the digital voltmeter, and the characteristics of the capacitor used in the circuit, which may affect observed values.

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Hello,

My data gravely perplexes me. I've set up a simple series RC circuit with an AC emf of 14V @ 20Hz. Resistor and capacitor values are 3.9E4 ohms and 4.7E-5 farads respectively. Ideally, the voltage across the resistor should be a simple sine curve, since this is basically an RLC series circuit with L=0. However, what I'm getting off of a digital voltmeter (outputting data to the computer) is a strange but pretty series of superimposed sinusoidal curves. A general pattern can be discerned over a period of seconds, which is what confuses me. I'm thinking the large pattern is caused by premature discharging of the capacitor midway through an emf cycle, thereby causing perturbations in the resistor voltage. The time constant may also be slyly manifesting itself, although I've received considerable opposition to this idea. Please try to destroy the interpretations put forth here.

I can't seem to upload my graph bcoz it exceeds the upload size limit.
 
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Sounds like you might have 60 hertz noise superimposed on your readings. I realize this may be out of your budget, but a digital meter dumping data to a PC is no substitute for a scope. Many real-time scopes (non-storage) are coming down in price. You can also reasonably buy handheld scopes with LDC displays. Like I said, it may be out of your budget. As far as the cap discharging midway though the cycle, unless you are exceeding the voltage rating of the cap there is no reason for this to happen. I also wonder why you need to dump the data to the computer unless you are slowly sweeping the frequency. You will get ONE voltage across the components as long as the input voltage and frequency do not change.
 
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A digital voltmeter samples the waveform at whatever it's own rate is , which maybe anything , it is almost certainly not synchronous to your waveform , and so the samples will gradually cycle through your waveform and repeat(or nearly so ) at some
other rate which is close to common.
As the last contributor mentioned a scope is the only way to see this -- unless you create your own sampler using the computer ports and a software program to simulate a scope .. I have done this using Turbo basic for signals of 10's of KHz but it is rather tricky. There maybe available software to do this.
If I have your units correct you are using a 47 micro farad capacitor
which maybe an electrolytic -- if so the value of capacitance is dependent upon the DC bias and it should not be subjected to voltage reversal as at the very least will change the value observed.
Ray
 
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Wow, i forgot to account for that possibility. I hooked up the circuit to a dual channel oscilloscope right after Averagesupernova suggested the digitial voltmeter itself might be the case, and sure enough, it was. The oscilloscope gave perfect EMF vs. Resistor Voltage sine curves, altho the phase shift was barely noticeable (as it should have been). I guess the digital/computer equipment lost this battle! :smile:

Thanks a lot for the replies.
 
So basically you were attempting to sample a 20 hertz sine wave with a Fluke DVM. Hmmmm.
 

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