Completing the Square: A Different Approach for Solving Quadratic Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the topic of completing the square for quadratic equations, specifically focusing on expressing quadratics in the form (px+q)² + r, where p > 0. The original poster presents two quadratic expressions: 16x² - 8x + 11 and 9x² + 3x + 1, indicating difficulty when the coefficient of x² is greater than 1.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for completing the square, including expanding the squared form and matching coefficients. Some express confusion about the methods presented and seek further clarification on the reasoning behind them.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with some participants attempting to solve the first quadratic while others are exploring different methods. Clarifications and alternative approaches are being shared, but no consensus has been reached on a single method.

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The original poster mentions a lack of understanding when the coefficient of x² is greater than 1, which may influence the discussion and the methods being proposed. Additionally, there is a request for help to understand the process better.

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I have only just recently started this topic ... (3 topic in AS maths for me)

I have 1 question with two parts.I just can't seem to get the answer!


"Express, in the form [tex](px+q)^2 + r[/tex] whereby p > 0"

a) [tex]16x^2 -8x +11[/tex]
b) [tex]9x^2 +3x +1[/tex]

I don't seem to find a problem doing any of these when the coefficient of X squared is 1, but when it is bigger than 1, it causes me problems!

I would be gratefull if some once could at least help me through the first 1, so i can understand the method.Thanks.

Regards
Mo
 
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Mo said:
I have only just recently started this topic ... (3 topic in AS maths for me)

I have 1 question with two parts.I just can't seem to get the answer!


"Express, in the form [tex](px+q)^2 + r[/tex] whereby p > 0"

a) [tex]16x^2 -8x +11[/tex]
b) [tex]9x^2 +3x +1[/tex]

I don't seem to find a problem doing any of these when the coefficient of X squared is 1, but when it is bigger than 1, it causes me problems!

I would be gratefull if some once could at least help me through the first 1, so i can understand the method.Thanks.

Regards
Mo

I'll solve a) and let u take b).
a)[tex]16x^{2}=(4x)^{2}[/tex]
[tex]16x^{2}-8x=(4x)^{2}-2\cdot 4x[/tex]
Then:
[tex]16x^2 -8x +11=(4x-1)^{2}+10[/tex]

Daniel.
 
A naive way of doing this is to write:

[tex]16x^2 -8x +11=(px+q)^2 + r[/tex]

and expand the right hand side (multiple out the squared part and collect powers of x). Now match the coefficients to solve for p, q, and r.
 
Thanks both for your help!
 
dextercioby said:
I'll solve a) and let u take b).
a)[tex]16x^{2}=(4x)^{2}[/tex]
[tex]16x^{2}-8x=(4x)^{2}-2\cdot 4x[/tex]
Then:
[tex]16x^2 -8x +11=(4x-1)^{2}+10[/tex]

Daniel.

I have never seen your method before. I cannot say it makes sense to me. care to explain it?
 
ComputerGeek said:
I have never seen your method before. I cannot say it makes sense to me. care to explain it?

It's not a bigdeal.
Let's pick an arbitrary polynom of degree 2:[tex]ax^{2}+bx+c[/tex].
U want to put in the form [tex](px+q)^{2}+r[/tex].
The direct method is to equal the two expressions and identify the coefficients of the powers of "x".That what Shmoe said.
I found another method which can be thought of being intuitive,and sometimes useful as well.
Take the square:[tex]ax^{2}+bx[/tex].It can be put like:
[tex](\sqrt{a} x)^{2}+2\sqrt{a}\frac{b}{2\sqrt{a}} x+\frac{b^{2}}{4a}-\frac{b^{2}}{4a}[/tex] okay??
You restrain the square and add "c" in both sides to get:
[tex]ax^{2}+bx+c =(\sqrt{a} x +\frac{b}{2\sqrt{a}})^{2} +(c-\frac{b^{2}}{4a})[/tex]

And u can easily find (p,q,r).

Daniel.
 

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