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| Apr2-12, 08:47 AM | #1 |
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sacrificial protection and how it works
How do sacrificial metals protect the less reactive metal that it protects? Some people say that it provides the iron with electrons when it starts to rust. But if it does provide electron to the iron then the magnesium block for example will become positive ions. But then how can the magnesium block exist as a block of positive ions? Similarly how does galvanisation work since they have the same principles. In the air, there are no anions that can form an ionic compound with the magnesium ions. Do electrons from the more reactive metal even give up electrons to the less reactive metal it is attached to or is there another process that I'm not seeing. Thanks for the help!
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| Apr2-12, 09:47 AM | #2 |
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You can think in terms of "electron sea tide" - when you have a piece of metal it is perfectly neutral. When you connect two pieces of two different metals, "electron sea" "shifts" in the direction of the metal that has a higher reduction potential. This shift is very tiny, but it gives a small charge separation - that's where the galvanic potential comes from. While the shift is tiny, it is high enough to have an observable effect - metal that has slightly less electrons will be easier to oxidize (less electrons to remove).
That's probably the most hand wavy explanation you will ever see. |
| Apr2-12, 10:08 AM | #3 |
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Then again, the wiki pages state that an electrolyte must be present for the sacrificial protection to work. So is there two different processes, one is the simple cell case where a electrolyte is present and it works like a simple cell. The other is where there is no electrolyte like the mentioned one. Is this correct? I think my concept is really wrong and I'm missing something important. I just don't get how galvanized iron like a iron bin can protect it from getting rusted since there is no electrolyte in the solution. Please help me clear out these pesky confusions. Thanks for the help, Borek
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| Apr2-12, 11:03 AM | #4 |
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sacrificial protection and how it worksNote that oxygen doesn't have to be reduced in the same place magnesium is getting oxidized (that's what you will observe in the case with electrolyte). |
| Apr3-12, 01:02 AM | #5 |
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| Apr3-12, 02:13 AM | #6 |
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When the objects are dry, there is no electrolyte, but they are also (almost) not corroding. However, air contains water vapor, so any object in contact with air can be moist - and occasionally is (think temperature changes and condensation). That's enough.
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| Apr3-12, 03:37 AM | #7 |
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Also, when the water condenses then won't it be pure water, so why is it still an electrolyte? Or the H+ and OH- is enough to allow the flow of electrons since the current flow will not be very high? |
| Apr3-12, 04:05 AM | #8 |
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Plenty of ions. |
| Apr3-12, 05:17 AM | #9 |
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| Apr3-12, 05:48 AM | #10 |
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Intuition tells me that speed of corrosion would be affected in such situation, but by how much I don't know. Remember the electron cloud shift?
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| Apr3-12, 07:11 AM | #11 |
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| Apr3-12, 07:25 AM | #12 |
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Assume there is electrolyte present, when they state it is dry answer it will not corrode at all.
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| Apr3-12, 08:11 AM | #13 |
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| Apr3-12, 10:59 AM | #14 |
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Scratch it. It will corrode as usual.
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