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The discussion revolves around the differences in melting temperatures between silicon and phosphorus, both of which are covalent substances. Participants explore the underlying reasons for silicon's higher melting point, focusing on electronic configurations, molecular structures, and bonding characteristics.

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  • One participant suggests that the electronic configurations of silicon (2p2) and phosphorus (2p3) may influence their bonding characteristics, leading to different melting points.
  • Another participant proposes that silicon can form tetrahedral or square-planar geometries, which contribute to stronger bonding compared to phosphorus, which has weaker bonds due to its additional electron.
  • A later reply questions the thermodynamic stability of tetrahedral versus sheet structures, referencing carbon's graphite and diamond forms, and suggests that tetrahedral bonds may be less stable than graphite but more stable than phosphorus bonding structures.
  • One participant introduces the concept of bond energy, stating that silicon's network covalent structure has high bond energy, requiring more energy to break intermolecular bonds, thus resulting in a higher melting point compared to phosphorus.

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Participants express differing views on the stability of bonding structures and the thermodynamic implications of silicon and phosphorus bonding. There is no consensus on the stability comparisons between tetrahedral and sheet structures or the overall implications for melting points.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge uncertainties regarding the specific bonding shapes of phosphorus and the thermodynamic stability of different structures, indicating that further research or clarification may be needed.

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'Silicon and phosphorus are both covalent substances, but silicon has a much
higher melting temperature than phosphorus'

Explain this statement.


That was the question..im a bit stuck on it. I don't usually ask here, but I am out of ideas for this for now..

I first thought of the electronic configuration of the two elements, with Si having 2p2 and P having 2p3.

I first thought the number of molecular orbitals might be larger for Phosphurous, but found out the question was asking the reason for the opposite! doh!

If you need more detail for my effort put into this question, ill gladly post.. however, i need some help with this question. Thanks in advance to those who help.

EDIT: i think it has to do something with the shape and structure of the molecules the atoms form when they covelently bond with other atoms. I am off to research, but thanks to anyone who helps..
 
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If there are only phosphorus or silicon atom, then they will have to combine with themselves, so silicon has the ability to form tetrahedral or square-planar geometry as carbon does with structures we know (respectively, diamond and graphite). Obviously, the bonding ability comes from the available electron configuration, so phosphorus has one additional electron, which prevents them making a very stable bonding as silicon does. This is why phosphorus has much weaker bonds than silicon.
 
chem_tr said:
If there are only phosphorus or silicon atom, then they will have to combine with themselves, so silicon has the ability to form tetrahedral or square-planar geometry as carbon does with structures we know (respectively, diamond and graphite). Obviously, the bonding ability comes from the available electron configuration, so phosphorus has one additional electron, which prevents them making a very stable bonding as silicon does. This is why phosphorus has much weaker bonds than silicon.


Thanks for the quick reply! o:)

Just another question. Since you said silicon has more stable bonding, does that mean the tetrahedral shape is more thermodynamically stable than bonds formed by phosphorus?

I ask this because carbon structures, such as graphite, have more thermodynamically (but not physically) stable structure than the other structure diamond (tetrahedral).
So therefore can i conclude,
'tetrahedral bond structure is thermodynamically LESS stable than a sheet bond structure (of graphite) but it IS more stable than the phosphurous bonding structure (trigonal bipyramid?)'
 
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I am not sure what kind of shape will phosphorus atom show in bonding, but it is obvious from the configurations that the shape is not tetrahedral, so it is not as stable as a tetrahedral framework.

I don't agree with you about thermodynamical stability of graphite towards diamond, graphite structure may be kinetically favored, but eventually diamond is much more stable (thermodynamic). However, treat this still a discussion, I have no certain knowledge about it.
 
I think bond energy is also concerned. Silicon compound bonds in a network covalent structure which has extremely high bond energy while phosphorus does not. This means that breaking intermolecular bonds requires more energy, and thus the higher melting point.
 

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