Functional groups present are: C=O and NH2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the protonation behavior of functional groups, specifically comparing the C=O and NH2 groups in amines. Participants explore the reasons behind the preferential protonation of nitrogen over oxygen, considering factors such as electronegativity and lone pair availability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why nitrogen is always protonated while oxygen, being more electronegative and having more lone pairs, is not protonated more easily.
  • Another participant suggests that the lone pairs on oxygen may be delocalized, making them less available for protonation, and notes that nitrogen's protonation may be supported by hydrogen bonding with water.
  • A different perspective is offered, stating that a positive charge on nitrogen is more favorable than on oxygen due to nitrogen's lower electronegativity.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding the mechanism of lone pair delocalization on oxygen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for the preferential protonation of nitrogen over oxygen, indicating that multiple competing explanations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of lone pairs and the implications of electronegativity, but these aspects remain unresolved and depend on specific chemical contexts.

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This is about amines:

The functional groups present are: C=O and NH2

Why does the N get protonated always but not C=O, since the oxygen has more lone pairs and more electronegative than N so shouldn't the oxygen be protonated more easily? I can't think of any good reasons... please help :confused:
 
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In some cases note that the lone pairs on the oxygen are delocalized, and thus less available in a sense. In some cases, protonation of the nitrogen atom to its corresponding cation will be reinforced by hydrogen bonding of water to the newly formed compound (4 hydrogens in contrast to 3). Also, nitrogen holds its electrons less tightly.
 
An alternate explanation: A positive charge on nitrogen is better than a positive charge on oxygen because nitrogen is less electronegative.
 
Thanks. But how can the lone pairs of oxygen be delocalised?
 

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