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Are undefined constants valid in trig equations when other constants present?

 
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Jul22-12, 05:58 PM   #1
 

Are undefined constants valid in trig equations when other constants present?


For example:

tan(pi/2 - pi/4) = (tan(pi/2) - tan(pi/4) ) / 1 + tan(pi/2)tan(pi/4)

Which of course comes out to:

undefined + 1 / 1 + undefined

Does that equal 1, or equal Undefined/No Solution?


sorry for the poor formatting, I couldn't find the mathprint symbols for pi and fractions
 
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Jul22-12, 06:48 PM   #2
 
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Quote by Sduibek View Post
For example:

tan(pi/2 - pi/4) = (tan(pi/2) - tan(pi/4) ) / 1 + tan(pi/2)tan(pi/4)

Which of course comes out to:

undefined + 1 / 1 + undefined

Does that equal 1, or equal Undefined/No Solution?


sorry for the poor formatting, I couldn't find the mathprint symbols for pi and fractions
Trig identities are only valid if the various quantities are defined. So, for example, the formula$$
\tan(a-b) = \frac {\tan a - \tan b}{1 + \tan a \tan b}$$does not apply if either of the angles or their difference is an odd multiple of ##\pi/2##. [Edited, thanks for catching that Curious3141]
 
Jul22-12, 07:27 PM   #3
 
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Trig identities are only valid if the various quantities are defined. So, for example, the formula$$
\tan(a-b) = \frac {\tan a - \tan b}{1 + \tan a \tan b}$$does not apply if either of the angles or their difference is a multiple of ##\pi/2##.
Okay, thank you!
 
Jul22-12, 09:15 PM   #4
 
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Are undefined constants valid in trig equations when other constants present?


Quote by LCKurtz View Post
Trig identities are only valid if the various quantities are defined. So, for example, the formula$$
\tan(a-b) = \frac {\tan a - \tan b}{1 + \tan a \tan b}$$does not apply if either of the angles or their difference is a multiple of ##\pi/2##.
(Just to correct a small error, the expression *is* perfectly valid if either or both of the angles is an even multiple of [itex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/itex]).

Whilst this is strictly true (for odd multiples of [itex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/itex]), one can actually use the angle sum identities to calculate the limiting values of expressions.

For example, we know that [itex]\tan (\frac{\pi}{2} - x) = \cot x[/itex]

We can prove this easily with a right triangle, but we can also view this as the limit of this expression:

[itex]\lim_{y \rightarrow \frac{\pi}{2}} \tan (y - x) = \lim_{y \rightarrow \frac{\pi}{2}} \frac{\tan y - \tan x}{1 + \tan x\tan y}[/itex] where [itex]x \neq \frac{(2n+1)\pi}{2}[/itex].

Since approaching the limit, [itex]|\tan y| >> |\tan x|[/itex], the limit becomes:

[itex]\lim_{y \rightarrow \frac{\pi}{2}} \frac{\tan y}{\tan x\tan y} = \frac{1}{\tan x} = \cot x[/itex], as expected.

Usually, when I do rough work "informally", I don't bother with the limits, I just put the values as [itex]\tan \frac{\pi}{2}[/itex] directly. But of course, I'm aware this is mathematically incorrect, just a convenient shorthand.
 
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