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Aug5-12, 12:55 AM   #1
 

partial differentiation: thermodynamic relations


1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

This question is about entropy of magnetic salts. I got up to the point of finding H1, the final applied field.


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But instead of doing integration I used this:

dS = (∂S/∂H)*dH

= (M0/4α)(ln 4)2


I removed the negative sign because they wanted decrease in S.


I know integration is the sure-fire way to get Sinitial - Sfinal but why is this method wrong? Is it because this method is only an approximation?
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Aug5-12, 03:04 AM   #2
 
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But instead of doing integration I used this:

dS = (∂S/∂H)*dH

= (M0/4α)(ln 4)2


I removed the negative sign because they wanted decrease in S.


I know integration is the sure-fire way to get Sinitial - Sfinal but why is this method wrong? Is it because this method is only an approximation?
I'm not sure exactly what you'e done here. [itex]dH[/itex] is a differential, so it makes no sense to say that [itex] \left( \frac{ \partial S}{ \partial H } \right)_{T} dH = \frac{M_0}{4\alpha}\ln(4)^2[/itex].

If you Taylor expand [itex]S(H, T)[/itex] around the point H=0, holding T constant. then to first order you get

[tex]S(H_1, T) \approx \left. \left. \left( \frac{ \partial S}{ \partial H } \right)_{T} \right. \right|_{H=H_1} \cdot (H_1-0)= \frac{M_0}{4\alpha}\ln(4)^2[/tex]

but that is only a first order approximation.
 
Aug5-12, 03:25 AM   #3
 
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I'm not sure exactly what you'e done here. [itex]dH[/itex] is a differential, so it makes no sense to say that [itex] \left( \frac{ \partial S}{ \partial H } \right)_{T} dH = \frac{M_0}{4\alpha}\ln(4)^2[/itex].

If you Taylor expand [itex]S(H, T)[/itex] around the point H=0, holding T constant. then to first order you get

[tex]S(H_1, T) \approx \left. \left. \left( \frac{ \partial S}{ \partial H } \right)_{T} \right. \right|_{H=H_1} \cdot (H_1-0)= \frac{M_0}{4\alpha}\ln(4)^2[/tex]

but that is only a first order approximation.
What I meant was:

dS = (∂S/∂H)*dH + (∂S/∂T)dT

But since dT = 0 since T is kept constant,

dS = (∂S/∂H)*dH
 
Aug5-12, 05:00 AM   #4
 
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What I meant was:

dS = (∂S/∂H)*dH + (∂S/∂T)dT

But since dT = 0 since T is kept constant,

dS = (∂S/∂H)*dH
That's completely correct, but how did you get from that to (M0/4α)(ln 4)2?
 
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