Energy of parallel plate capacitor problem

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The discussion revolves around the energy stored in a parallel plate capacitor, specifically examining the effects of inserting a dielectric slab under two different conditions: one where the capacitor is connected to a battery maintaining a constant potential difference, and another where the capacitor is charged with fixed charges and the battery is disconnected. Participants are exploring the differences in energy storage before and after the dielectric insertion in both scenarios.

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  • Participants discuss the formulas for energy stored in the capacitor before and after the dielectric is inserted, considering both constant voltage and fixed charge scenarios. Questions arise regarding how capacitance and potential difference change with the introduction of the dielectric, particularly in the second case where the battery is disconnected.

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Some participants have provided insights into the formulas for energy storage and the implications of changing capacitance. There is an ongoing exploration of how the potential difference and electric field are affected by the dielectric insertion, especially when charge is held constant. While some clarity has been achieved, particularly regarding the first scenario, uncertainties remain about the second case.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of capacitor behavior under different conditions, with specific attention to the definitions of capacitance and energy storage. There is a noted emphasis on ensuring correct expressions for energy calculations and the implications of dielectric materials on these values.

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Hi, I have trouble on the following problem:

Given a parallel plate capacitor, fixed area A, and fixed separation d. Find the energy stored, before and after insertion of a slab of dielectric, which completely fills the space between plates, for each of the two cases:

a) Plates are connected to a battery which maintains constant potential difference

b) Plates are charged with fixed charges +Q and -Q, and battery disconnected.

Explain differences in the two cases.

For part a, I think the answers would be just:
Before insertion of dielectric: U = (1/2)CV^2 where C = A(epsilon)/d and
after insertion of dielectric: U = (1/2)KCV^2 where C = A(epsilon)/d and K is the dielectric constant.

But I'm not sure about part b. Thanks.
 
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How about [itex]U=\frac{Q^{2}}{2C}[/itex],where C is the electric capacity before and after inserting the diellectric...?

Daniel.
 
meteorologist1 said:
For part a, I think the answers would be just:
Before insertion of dielectric: U = (1/2)CV^2 where C = A(epsilon)/d and
after insertion of dielectric: U = (1/2)KCV^2 where C = A(epsilon)/d and K is the dielectric constant.
You've got the right idea, but be careful how you express it. The capacitance changes when you insert the dielectric: before insertion, C = A(epsilon)/d; after insertion, C = KA(epsilon)/d.

U = (1/2)CV^2 is always true, but C changes, so U changes from (1/2)[A(epsilon)/d]V^2 to (1/2)K[A(epsilon)/d]V^2. (Don't write U = (1/2)KCV^2; that's not true!)

But I'm not sure about part b.
If the charge is fixed, what happens to the potential difference when the dielectric is inserted. (What happens to the electric field within the plates?)
In this case, both C and V change.

You can also write the stored energy directly in terms of Q and C. (Figure that out.) Then you'd only have to worry about C changing.
 
Ok, I understand now. Thank you very much.
 

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