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The discussion revolves around a mathematical expression involving Riemann sums and series expansions, specifically examining the relationship between the expression \(\frac{x^n}{\sum_{i=1}^n x^{n-i}}\) and the form \(\frac{(x-1)x^n}{x^n-1}\). Participants express confusion and explore various methods to simplify or transform the sums involved.

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  • Participants suggest defining new variables for summation and transforming the sums. Some express difficulty in understanding these transformations, while others propose multiplying the numerator and denominator by \(x-1\) to simplify the expression. There are also discussions about using known formulas for geometric series to derive results.

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The discussion is active, with multiple participants offering different approaches and clarifications. Some guidance has been provided on transforming sums and simplifying expressions, but there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available and the methods they can use. There is a recurring theme of questioning assumptions and exploring various interpretations of the problem.

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I found something very strange working with Riemann sums and expansion series.
Can anyone tell me why
[tex]\frac{x^n}{\sum_{i=1}^n x^{n-i}}=\frac{(x-1)x^n}{x^n-1}[/tex]

Excuse the profanity, but I thought in the beginning this was a disgusting joke! :smile: :confused:
 
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Define a new variable of summation
[tex]j=:n-i[/tex]

Transform the sum [itex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} x^{n-i}[/itex] into a sum over "j" and the result will come out immediately.

Daniel.

P.S.What profanity?:confused:
 
Sorry, but I don't quite understand how to do what you just wrote.
 
sebasalekhine7 said:
Sorry, but I don't quite understand how to do what you just wrote.

The way I did, just multiply the numerator and denominator by x-1. So in the denominator you get 2 summations (one minus the other). Simplify the denominator.
 
It doesn't make any sense to me.
[tex]j=:n-i[/tex] (1)
[tex]i=1 \Rightarrow j=n-1[/tex] (2)
[tex]i=n \Rightarrow j=0[/tex] (3)

The new sum (over "j") becomes
[tex]\sum_{j=n-1}^{j=0} x^{j}=\sum_{j=0}^{j=n-1} x^{j}=\frac{x^{n}-1}{x-1}[/tex] (4)

Now plug it in the initial expression and u'll find the desired result...

Daniel.
 
If you multiply the denominator through by x-1 you get:

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} x^{n-i+1} - \sum_{i=1}^{n}x^{n-i}[/tex]

You can simplify the above (try to make the two sums look the same) and get [tex]x^n-1[/tex]
 
How do you make that simplification...?

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
How do you make that simplification...?

Daniel.

Similar to your method:

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} x^{n-i+1} - \sum_{i=1}^{n}x^{n-i} =[/tex]

[tex]\sum_{i=1}^{n} x^{n-(i-1)} - \sum_{i=1}^{n}x^{n-i}=[/tex]

For the first sum, let j=i-1

[tex]\sum_{j=0}^{n-1} x^{n-j} - \sum_{i=1}^{n}x^{n-i} =[/tex]

[tex](x^{n-0} + \sum_{j=1}^{n-1} x^{n-j}) - (\sum_{i=1}^{n-1}x^{n-i} + x^{n-n}) =[/tex]

I take out the first term from the first sum and last term from the second sum.

The two sums that are left cancel each other out.

[tex]x^n-1[/tex]
 
Wow,that's so simple!*admirative*...Gosh,why didn't i think of that...?*envy*

Daniel.

P.S.We should let the OP decide which solution he likes best.
 
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I think they are both equally creative, well, thanks a lot for your help.
 
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dextercioby said:
Wow,that's so simple!*admirative*...Gosh,why didn't i think of that...?*envy*

Daniel.

P.S.We should let the OP decide which solution he likes best.

:smile: well, yours is the faster solution.
 
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Why can't one just use the sum for Geometric series ?

The denominator is [tex]x^{n-1} + x^{n-2} + ... + x^0 = \frac{x^n - 1}{x - 1}[/tex]

using the well worn sum for GPs, and the answer immediately follows.
 
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Curious3141 said:
Why can't one just use the sum for Geometric series ?

The denominator is [tex]x^{n-1} + x^{n-2} + ... + x^0 = \frac{x^n - 1}{x - 1}[/tex]

using the well worn sum for GPs, and the answer immediately follows.
Indeed, you can just cancel the [itex]x^n[/itex] on both sides. Invert to get:
[tex]\frac{x^n-1}{x-1}=\sum_{i=1}^n x^{n-i}}[/tex]
A well known fact.

PS: [itex]\sum_{i=1}^n x^{n-i}=\sum_{i=0}^{n-1} x^{i}[/itex]
 

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