Coupled Angular Momentum sates and probability

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The discussion revolves around the joint probability of finding two electrons in specific coupled angular momentum states, particularly focusing on the implications of quantum numbers and the application of angular momentum operators. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and angular momentum coupling.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation involving the coupled state |2,-2,11> and attempts to expand it based on angular momentum coupling.
  • Another participant points out the inconsistency in the quantum numbers, specifically that a state with l=1 and m=-2 cannot exist, suggesting that only the last term of the expansion should be considered.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the correction regarding the quantum numbers and questions whether this implies a 100 percent probability for specific angular momentum values.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the notation used and references the Clebsch-Gordan theorem for angular momentum coupling, indicating a need for clearer mathematical representation.

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Participants generally agree on the invalidity of certain quantum states based on the quantum number constraints, but there remains uncertainty regarding the implications for the joint probability and the correct approach to the problem.

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Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of notation and the need for clearer mathematical expressions. The discussion also reflects unresolved steps in the calculation of probabilities and the application of angular momentum operators.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying angular momentum coupling and the associated mathematical frameworks, may find this discussion relevant.

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Two p electrons are in the coupled angular momentum states |lml1l2>=|2,-2,11>. What is the joint probability of finding the two electrons with L1z and L2z?

Here is my thinking,

With m1 + m2 =-2, the expansion becomes

|2,-2,11>= C0-2|1,0>1|1,-2>2 + C-20|1,-2>1|1,0>2 + C-1-1|1,-1>1|1,-1>2

Now I believe I am supposed to apply the L- operator to both sides since L-|2,-2,11>=0 and since L-=L1- + L2- and we apply this to the othner side of the equatio.

However what we get does not look very pretty.

Am I on the right track? And what should I be doing to get the right answer?
 
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Remember |m| <= l, so we a state like l=1, m=-2 does not exist.. I think you should just have the last term in your expansion.. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, because it's been a while since I've done this.
 
Thanks, you are totally right. I remembered l>=m but forgot that -m where m>l cannot exist. Then wouldn't it just be a 100 perent possibility that -h is the angular moment for L1 and L2?
 
I didn't really undertstand much thing of your notation...It would be perfect,if were able to use the latex...
The theorem of Clebsch & Gordan states that
[tex]|j,m\rangle =\sum_{j_{1},j_{2},m_{1},m_{2}} \langle j_{1},m_{1},j_{2},m_{2}|j,m\rangle |j_{1},m_{1},j_{2},m_{2}\rangle[/tex]

,where i hope you're familiar with the notation...

Daniel.
 
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