A body intermediate to stars and galaxies

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The discussion centers around the formation of the largest stars and smallest galaxies from primordial hydrogen, exploring theoretical models and assumptions related to early cosmic structures. It touches on concepts from cosmology and astrophysics, particularly in the context of the Big Bang model and early star formation.

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  • One participant questions the ability to identify the largest star and smallest galaxy formed from primordial materials, suggesting that the largest star is long gone and the smallest galaxy may be undetectable due to low luminosity.
  • Another participant proposes that enormous primordial stars, greater than 200 solar masses, were likely abundant and essential for explaining phenomena such as reionization and primordial metallicity, as well as creating black hole seeds for quasars.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that the formation of larger objects is constrained by the Jeans mass, which is about 105 solar masses after decoupling, suggesting that the first protogalactic clouds would merge and cluster, but massive bodies could not form due to isothermal collapse leading to fragmentation.

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Participants express differing views on the formation of large stars and small galaxies, with no consensus reached on the specifics of their formation processes or the implications of the Big Bang model.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions of early universe star formation, the role of primordial materials, and the implications of the Jeans mass on the formation of cosmic structures.

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Out of the primordial hydrogen, what were the largest star and smallest galaxy that eventually formed?
 
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Who can say? According to the BB model, the largest star formed from primordial materials (it is assumed that the BB created more than just Hydrogen, by the way) is LONG since gone, and the smallest galaxy ( if it still exists) is undetectable due to low luminosity.
 
Enormous primordial stars [>200 solar masses] are thought to have been very abundant. Large numbers of early supernova are needed to explain reionization, primordial metallicity and create the black hole seeds responsible for quasars. These behemoths would only last around 100 million years before detonating. The earliest large structures were probably globular clusters. They apparently play a role in galaxy formation.
 
Apart from these big primordial population III stars, I do not see how larger objects could actually have formed. Immediately after decoupling, the Jeans mass is about 105 solar masses (the mass of globular clusters, as Chronos mentioned). This structures will be the first protogalactic clouds, which will merge and cluster. However, the formation of a massive body (assuming you had that in mind) on such a scale is actually not possible, since it takes place isothermal collapse of the cloud, which leads the Jeans mass to decrease (density increase), and produces fragmentation into smaller clouds. When the cooling of the cloud is not longer possible, the temperature does not longer remain constant and this process is stopped, leading to the formation of stars.
 
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