Spacetime physics Vs free e-book

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The discussion revolves around the pricing and value of the book "Spacetime Physics" by Taylor & Wheeler compared to other resources for learning General Relativity (GR), particularly a PDF on Special Relativity (SR) by David W. Hogg. Participants explore the perceived cost-effectiveness, content depth, and mathematical rigor of these resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the high price of "Spacetime Physics," initially believing it to be only 32 pages, later corrected to 312 pages.
  • Another participant suggests that the book is worth the price and recommends the first edition, noting it contains solutions to problems.
  • Some participants express a preference for Hogg's PDF, citing its mathematical focus and conciseness compared to Taylor and Wheeler's more verbose style.
  • Participants appreciate the problem sets in Taylor and Wheeler's book, highlighting their relevance to real-world applications.
  • There is a discussion about the availability of free resources online and the value of various educational materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the value and quality of "Spacetime Physics" versus Hogg's PDF. While some favor Hogg for its mathematical clarity, others appreciate the problem-solving approach of Taylor and Wheeler. No consensus is reached regarding which resource is superior.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in page counts across different sources, which may affect perceptions of value. There is also mention of the subjective nature of preferences regarding educational materials.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in learning General Relativity or Special Relativity, as well as those seeking educational resources in physics and mathematics.

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Hello,
I've been trying to collect as many resources as possible for (eventually) learning GR on my own. I came across a lot of links to nice e-books from this site and 'Relativity on the www'. My question here is, why does Spacetime physics by Taylor & Wheeler, a paperback with 32 pages cost more than $50. I'm well aware that quality is more important than quantity, but isn't this a "little" too much. :confused: I have downloaded a pdf on SR by David W. Hogg. How does this compare to the book mentioned earlier? Does it cover more topics?, the level of mathematics involved etc.

Any info is appreciated, and thanks to Tom Mattson and Gecko for providing all those great links to the lecture notes.

Navneeth
 
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Ah! Thanks guys. I was quite shocked to see the 32 pp initially and I did check with other sites, apart from amazon and B&N, to find the same mistake. Looks like I have some mails to send now. :D
 
neutrino said:
Ah! Thanks guys. I was quite shocked to see the 32 pp initially and I did check with other sites, apart from amazon and B&N, to find the same mistake. Looks like I have some mails to send now. :D

I second the first edition idea. Even used. SP is mostly problems, and with the answers it becomes a better class of Schaum's.
 
neutrino said:
Any info is appreciated, and thanks to Tom Mattson and Gecko for providing all those great links to the lecture notes.

I do love to scour the web for freebies. :biggrin:

Does it cover more topics?, the level of mathematics involved etc.

Each has their pros and cons. Overall, I like Hogg better because it's more mathematical and it gets to the point. Taylor and Wheeler is very wordy, and at times I get the impression that they are even more enamored with their own wit than with relativity.

The thing I like about Taylor and Wheeler is that their problems are very involved, and the solutions are found in journal articles (references are given so that you can find them). This means that in most instances, the problems are relevant to the real world to a greater extent than in many books.

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Keep checking the Link Directory (in my sig line) for updates. I'm loading all our links into a searchable database right here at PF.
 
Tom Mattson said:
I do love to scour the web for freebies. :biggrin:
Who doesn't ? :wink:

Each has their pros and cons. Overall, I like Hogg better because it's more mathematical and it gets to the point. Taylor and Wheeler is very wordy, and at times I get the impression that they are even more enamored with their own wit than with relativity.

The thing I like about Taylor and Wheeler is that their problems are very involved, and the solutions are found in journal articles (references are given so that you can find them). This means that in most instances, the problems are relevant to the real world to a greater extent than in many books.
I'll probably get hold of a copy from the college library as I will be having a course in SR next year. So, till then I'll look forward to what the web has to offer.

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Keep checking the Link Directory (in my sig line) for updates.
Sure. I do that once in two days. :biggrin:
 
neutrino said:
Sure. I do that once in two days. :biggrin:

Eep! I'd better get cracking! :eek:

I'll try to have more goodies up posted there on Sunday. :approve:
 
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selfAdjoint said:
How about Hatcher's online textbook of Algebraic Topology? For starters, http://www.math.cornell.edu/~hatcher/AT/ATpage.html

Just so you know, anyone can post to the Link Directory. I've just taken it upon myself to transfer all the links from the various "Napster" threads over there.
 
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I'm using it for a physics course and I find it much better than most physics texts. It's actually readable and doesn't cram hundreds of stupid pictures/graphs onto each page. The questions are also well thought out, instead of putting 500 different ones for each chapter, they have a handful that are very good. I like it.
 

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