Electric Field of a Pure Dipole(Math Stuff)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the electric field of a pure dipole, specifically addressing the mathematical derivation and manipulation of the relevant equations. Participants explore the transition from potential to electric field and the use of different coordinate systems in the process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for the electric field of a pure dipole and expresses difficulty in deriving it from the potential using the negative gradient.
  • Another participant suggests using spherical components for the vectors involved in the scalar product to avoid confusion in calculations.
  • A participant questions whether to calculate the dot product by components or to use a relation involving angles, indicating confusion over the coordinate system being used.
  • One participant corrects another's misunderstanding regarding the use of primes in their equations, suggesting a lack of clarity in differentiation.
  • A later reply emphasizes the benefit of defining custom coordinate systems, proposing specific vectors as ideal axes for the problem at hand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical approach, with no consensus on the best method to proceed. Some participants provide advice while others struggle with the concepts presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their understanding of spherical coordinates and the differentiation process, indicating that assumptions about coordinate systems may affect their calculations.

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Working on Griffiths 3.33. I'm supposed to show that the Electric Field of a pure dipole can be written in the following coordinate free form:
[tex] \vec{E}(\vec{r}) = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3} [3(\vec{p} \cdot \hat{r})\hat{r} - \vec{p}][/tex]
Where p is the dipole. I know that the potential is equal to
[tex] V(r,\theta) = \frac{\hat{r} \cdot \vec{p}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^2}[/tex]
and I tried to take the negative gradient of that, but got lost in the math. If you assume the dipole points along the z-axis you get the solution
[itex] \vec{E}(r,\theta) = \frac{p(2cos \theta \hat{r} + sin \theta \hat{\theta})}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3}[/itex]
And I tried to work with that a little to no avail. Any ideas how to solve this beast?
 
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Yes,there's one advice for each part:don't get lost in maths.And use spherical components for the 2 vectors involved in the scalar product of the second...

Daniel.
 
I'm still rather confused...should I calculate the dot product by components or say it equals [tex]pcos \acute{\theta}[/tex] and then try to find some weird relation between theta prime and theta? Or perhaps I'm missing something? Cuz either way I keep getting lost.
 
What primes are u talking about...?There is no prime in your equations.

As for incapacity of differentiation,well,that's simply bad.

Daniel.
 
Nevermind I got it...I was trying to use spherical coordinates all the way through instead of the spherical components of the rectangular coordinates
 
In such questions, it is almost always good to define your own coordinate systems. Here, the vecotors p, p (cross) r and (p cross (p cross r)) can serve as the ideal coordinate axes since they are mutually perpendicular and of course, you know the component of E along p and along p cross r.
 

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