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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electricity, specifically voltage, current, and resistance in series and parallel circuits. Participants are exploring fundamental concepts related to electrical circuits and seeking clarification on various aspects of voltage behavior.

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  • Participants are questioning the constancy of voltage in series circuits and the reasons for varying voltmeter readings. They are also inquiring about the concept of voltage drop and its implications in series circuits. Additionally, there are discussions about why voltage remains the same across parallel circuits and how it interacts with resistors.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of voltage and current in circuits, referencing Ohm's law and the behavior of electric fields. There is ongoing exploration of how voltage acts when current encounters resistors, with various interpretations being discussed. The conversation is active, with participants seeking deeper understanding and clarification.

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Participants are navigating complex concepts and assumptions about electrical behavior, including the role of ideal versus real wires and the implications of resistance on voltage and current flow. There is a recognition of the need for foundational knowledge in electricity to fully engage with the questions raised.

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is there any site out there with decent complete explanations of how electricity (voltage, current, resistance) behaves in series and parallel circuits? if not... can soemone answer a few qs:

1) is voltage constant in a series circuit? there's always the same amount of voltage "pushing" electrons through the circuit right? then why do voltmeters give different readings all over the place?

2) what is a voltage drop? voltage doesn't actually fluctuate does it (series circuit)? Is it the minimum amount of voltage req'd to push the charge thru the resistance?

3) why is voltage the same across a parallel circuit, that is why does the "voltage drop" stay the same as the source?

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preet said:
1) is voltage constant in a series circuit? there's always the same amount of voltage "pushing" electrons through the circuit right? then why do voltmeters give different readings all over the place?
No. Whenever current flows through a resistance, there is an inevitable drop in potential across that resistance. This is Ohm's law: V = I R.
2) what is a voltage drop? voltage doesn't actually fluctuate does it (series circuit)? Is it the minimum amount of voltage req'd to push the charge thru the resistance?
If you have two equal resistances connected to a battery which produces a potential V, the potential in the middle of the two resistances is V/2. Again, you cannot have current flowing through a resistance without losing potential across it.

You can make an analogy with water hoses and sponges, if you'd like. If the city water supplies a certain pressure in your water hose, the hose will deliver a certain flow. If you shove a sponge into the hose, the current will drop dramatically -- but so will the pressure at the end of the hose.
3) why is voltage the same across a parallel circuit, that is why does the "voltage drop" stay the same as the source?
Look at the wires. Every point in a wire is defined to have the same potential, because ideal wires have no resistance. The wire leaves the positive terminal of the battery at some potential, and is connected to the ends of two or more resistances, with nothing in between -- just wire. The wire has the same potential everywhere, so all of the resistances are exposed to the same potential.

- Warren
 
for the second question then, why doesn't the emf become zero after the last resistor and current stop altogether? If I have a circuit with a source that gives 12v of potential difference with one load, that load uses all 12v right?
 
The ideal wire has no resistance, so it takes no voltage to push electrons around inside it. Of course, real wires have very small (non-zero) resistance, but it's negligible.

- Warren
 
if current is the same throughout a series circuit then the voltage has to constantly push to keep the current flowing at a constant rate right? so then is it right to say no voltage (energy to push electrons) is used when electrons are moving through the wire (or at least that the amount used is negligible) , that only once they encounter the resistor(s) additional emf is required to push the electrons thru the resistor? how does voltage work exactly?... is there like an inital creation of potential difference and then the electrons start moving towards the other node with the defecit of electrons, then when they meet a resistor, additional potential difference is created so the current goes through at the same rate? why wouldn't some electrons be moving faster than others because not all of the electrons are flowing at one point in the circuit at once? isn't the potential difference created by the power source applied to the whole circuit all the time? sorry if I am bothering you... thanks for the help so far
 
preet said:
so then is it right to say no voltage (energy to push electrons) is used when electrons are moving through the wire (or at least that the amount used is negligible) , that only once they encounter the resistor(s) additional emf is required to push the electrons thru the resistor?
Potential difference is not "energy," but your argument is roughly correct. An ideal wire has absolutely no resistance to electrical current, so it requires no force (emf) to push electrons around.
how does voltage work exactly?... is there like an inital creation of potential difference and then the electrons start moving towards the other node with the defecit of electrons, then when they meet a resistor, additional potential difference is created so the current goes through at the same rate?
Potential difference (voltage) is just another way of expressing an electric field. A battery produces an electric field all through the wires (and resistors) connected to it, and that electric field compels electrons everywhere inside the circuit to flow toward the positive terminal.
why wouldn't some electrons be moving faster than others because not all of the electrons are flowing at one point in the circuit at once?
The same number of electrons must be passing through any point of the series circuit as through any other -- that's what it means for current to be the same everywhere in a series circuit. The actual velocity of electrons, in moving from one battery terminal to another, is very slow -- on the order of a few centimeters per minute. The pressure that pushes those electrons, the electric field, propagates through the wire at nearly the speed of light.

- Warren
 
Thanks...
I still want to know how the voltage acts when current flow meets a resistor... the electric field is compelling electrons to move to the +ve terminal... but there's a resistor in the way... so now what? I can imagine that current is moving constantly through the circuit but I can't picture how voltage acts.
 
Potential difference drops proportionately with the resistance, as Ohm's law indicates:

V = IR.

- Warren
 

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