Understanding Reducing Agents: LiAlH4, NaBH4, H2/Nickel

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The discussion revolves around the reactivity and selectivity of various reducing agents, specifically LiAlH4, NaBH4, and H2/Nickel, in the context of organic reduction reactions. Participants explore the differences in their abilities to reduce functional groups such as carboxylic acids, ketones, and nitro groups, as well as the mechanisms involved in these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the difference in reactivity between LiAlH4 and NaBH4 in reducing nitro groups may be due to lithium's greater electropositivity and affinity for oxygen.
  • There is a proposal that the lack of selectivity of H2/Nickel in reducing C=C bonds is due to the absence of a catalyst in alkali metal hydride reductions, although it is noted that these hydrides can reduce C=C bonds under certain conditions.
  • One participant mentions that hydrogen gas is less effective at reducing carboxylic acids and ketones compared to alkali metal hydrides, attributing this to the stability of the radicals formed during the reaction.
  • Another point raised is that NaBH4 may produce an alkoxyborohydride in the presence of alcohol, which is less reactive due to the stabilization of the negative charge on boron by oxygen atoms.
  • It is noted that LiAlH4 must be used in dry ether due to its higher reactivity compared to sodium borohydride.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the mechanisms and reactivity of the reducing agents, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is not resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as solvent choice and the presence of catalysts, which may influence the reactivity of the reducing agents discussed.

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I have got some problems on reducing agents, can someone explain why:

1) LiAlH4 and NaBH4 both reduce carboxylic acids / ketones, but only LiAlH4 reduces a nitro group? Why doesn't NaBH4 reduce the Nitro group?

2) How come H2/Nickel reduces C=C bond but LiAlH4 doesnt?

3) Similarly, why doesn't H2 reduce a carboxylic acid / ketone?

Thanks
 
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Well, these are tough indeed, but let's try something; I hope they will be useful for your brainstorming...

Okay, the first one is probably about the improved reactivity of lithium over sodium. Lithium loves oxygen more than sodium does; this is because nitro groups can be reduced with lithium aluminum hydride; you know that slightly basic sodium borohydride in alcohol or water is used for reduction; lithium aluminium hydride is not. That may be why the different reactivities are.

Hydrogen gas in the presence of raney nickel as catalyst is very efficient, yet not very selective in reductions. However, alkali metal hydrides don't reduce C=C bond, since there is no catalyst, I mean, any species reactive to both C=C bond and hydride. However, it is not correct to say that alkali metal hydrides never reduce C=C bonds; but the yield and reaction time may not be practical, that is all.

Hydrogen cannot very easily leave the other hydrogen and cleave its bond to be free and bind to oxygen; however, alkali metal hydrides can do so, since the alkali metals used in these compounds are far more electropositive than hydrogen, so much more reactive than hydrogen to facilitate this kind of reduction.
 
ok, it sounds reasonable
so the difference in reducing power is due to electropositive nature of Li.

Is the reason LiAlH4 has to be in dry ether is because its much more reactive than sodium borohydride?
 
Lithium is a much better Lewis acid than sodium. This accounts for much of the reactivity difference between LiAlH4 and NaBH4. However, in the NaBH4 reduction the active reducing agent is probably an alkoxyborohydride, where one or more of the hydrides from the BH4- has reacted with the alcohol solvent. The alkoxyborohydride is less reactive then because of the electronegativity of the oxygen atoms. They serve to stabilize the negative charge on boron and in turn make the delivery of the hydride less favorable. Since LiAlH4 reductions are performed under aprotic conditions, the AlH4- is the active reducing species (at first, at least). Also note that in general NaBH4 will not reduce carboxylic acids, at least under standard conditions.

Reduction of C=C bonds with H2 and a metal catalyst is often thought to proceed through a radical mechanism. Such radical mechanisms are more accessible with transition metals such as Ni and Pd than with metals like aluminum.

H2 can be used to reduce carbonyls to alcohols, but it is much, much more difficult. You can think of this in terms of radicals too; if you first delivered a hydrogen atom (a proton with an electron) to the carbon of the carbonyl group you would form an oxygen radical, which is an unstable species because the octet isn't filled around an electronegative atom. Since the NaBH4 and LiAlH4 deliver a proton with two electrons, you never get an unfilled octet around oxygen.
 
Thanks movies, you are a great expert :approve:
 
chem_tr said:
Thanks movies, you are a great expert :approve:

Heh, thanks, but I think it's more that I have a lot of experience writing and grading these types of mechanisms!
 

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