Parametric Equations of an ellipse

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The discussion revolves around finding the parametric equations for an ellipse defined by the equation \(\frac{x^2}{3^2} + \frac{y^2}{4^2} = 1\). Participants are exploring how to express \(y\) in terms of the parameter \(t\) when \(x\) is given as \(3\cos(t)\).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss substituting \(x\) into the ellipse equation to solve for \(y\), but encounter issues with negative values under the square root. There is also exploration of the relationship between the sine and cosine functions in the context of parametric equations.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations of the parametric equations being explored, with some participants suggesting \(y = 4\sin(t)\) while others question its correctness. The conversation includes attempts to simplify expressions and clarify the direction of motion along the ellipse.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the direction of motion (clockwise) on the signs of the sine function in the parametric equations. There is also a mention of the relationship between circles and ellipses in the context of parametric forms.

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The ellipse [tex]\frac{x^2}{3^2} + \frac{y^2}{4^2} = 1[/tex]
can be drawn with parametric equations. Assume the curve is traced clockwise as the parameter increases.

If [tex]x=3cos(t)[/tex]

then y = ___________________________


wouldnt i just sub x into the ellipse equation and solve for y?

well i did that and got [tex]\sqrt{(-1/16*((3*cos(t))^2/9)+1)}[/tex]

but there's a negative sign inside the sqrt function, so it's not possible
 
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[tex]\sqrt{(-1/16*((3*cos(t))^2/9)+1)}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{(-1/16*(9cos^2(t)/9)+1)}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{(-cos^2(t)/16+16/16)}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{\frac{(16-cos^2(t))}{16}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\sqrt{16-cos^2(t)}}{4}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\sqrt{(4-cos(t))(4+cos(t))}}{4}[/tex]


Im sure that can simplify more, but I'm out of ideas.
 
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Also consider that a circle is an ellipse with a = b = 1, in which case the parametric equations are:

[tex]x(t) = a cos(t) = cos(t)[/tex]
[tex]y(t) = b sin(t) = sin(t)[/tex]
 
Okay.I think it's not too difficult to show that
[tex]y=4\sin t[/tex]

Daniel.
 
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{(4-cos(t))(4+cos(t))}}{4}[/tex]

and y = 4*sin(t) is incorrect. I really get and understand how you got 4*sin(t). but anyone know why these answers are incorrect?
 
[tex]\frac{y^{2}}{16}=1-\cos^{2}t=\sin^{2}t\Rightarrow y^{2}=(4\sin t)^{2}\Rightarrow y=\pm 4\sin t[/tex]...U can choose the "-" sign ([tex]y\searrow \ \mbox{when} \ t\nearrow[/tex])...

Daniel.
 
The answer would be [tex]y = -4sin(t)[/tex] because the particle moves clockwise, and as [tex]t \nearrow, sin(t) \mbox { travels counter clockwise.}[/tex]

For [tex]sin(t) \mbox{ to travel clockwise you would need to multiply the parameter by -1}[/tex]

[tex]y(t) = 4sin(-t) \mbox{ which equals } y(t) = -4sin(t) \mbox{ by properties of the sin function}[/tex]
 
Well,what do you know,it's the same thing with what I've written...:-p

Daniel.
 
I was explaining to him why :)
 
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whozum said:
Im sure that can simplify more, but I'm out of ideas.

Sure you were...:wink: However,i still think the OP needs to do some thinking on this problem.

Daniel.
 

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