Can anyone solve integral with variable limits

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The discussion revolves around solving a complex integral with variable limits, specifically related to the motion of a charged particle in a charged hollow cuboid. Participants explore the mathematical challenges involved in integrating with respect to both x and z, as well as the implications of the integral's dependence on certain variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral involving variable limits and seeks assistance in solving it, noting the complexity of integrating with respect to z.
  • Another participant questions whether the integral should depend on x, suggesting a substitution to simplify the integration process.
  • A participant describes the context of the integral, linking it to the electric field experienced by a charged particle within the cuboid.
  • There is a discussion about the correctness of an intermediate result obtained through integration, with one participant expressing uncertainty about its validity.
  • Another participant provides a potential integral formula that could be useful for further calculations, although they do not confirm its applicability to the original problem.
  • A later post introduces a different integral involving hyperbolic functions and arctangent, seeking help on its solvability after attempting a substitution.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the expressibility of the new integral in terms of familiar special functions, suggesting that it may not be solvable using standard methods.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the solvability of the original integral or the correctness of the intermediate results. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the mathematical approaches suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of confidence in their calculations and the applicability of certain substitutions. There are unresolved questions about the dependence of the integral on specific variables and the potential complexity of the integrals discussed.

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Can anyone solve this?

[tex] \int_{-L{\substack{2}}}^{L{\substack{1}}-L{\substack{2}}} \left[ \int_{-L{\substack{2}}+R{\substack{x}}}^{L{\substack{4}}+R{\substack{x}}} \frac{{\sigma}xz}{4\pi\varepsilon{\substack{0}}(x^2+y^2+z^2){\sqrt{(x^2+z^2)(y^2+z^2)}}} dx \right] dz[/tex]

where [tex]\sigma[/tex] and [tex]y[/tex] are constants.
 
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Is that integral with variable limits ??If it weren't,you'd be able to integrate wrt "x" quite easily.Though the integral wrt "z" is quite difficult.

Daniel.
 
The limits with z are variable.
Actually I was trying to analyze the motion of a charged particle in a charged hollow cuboid with charge density [tex]\sigma[/tex] and dimensions [tex]L_{\substack{1}}[/tex] (z-axis) and [tex]2 \times L_{\substack{4}}[/tex] (x and y axis) with the particle moving along the z axis and its position along z axis at any time given by [tex]L_{\substack{2}}[/tex].

This equation I made up for the electric field the charged particle would experience along the x-axis at any point in the hollow cuboid.

Is there any way to solve the integral?
 
Shouldn't the integral be a constant...?I mean,should it depend on "x"...?

Make the subsitution

[tex]x=z\sinh u[/tex]

and solve the integral wrt "x" and then write the one wrt "z" (here),so we can see whether it's doable or not.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Shouldn't the integral be a constant...?I mean,should it depend on "x"...?
Sorry, my bad. It should be constant.


I tried doing the integration (performed part of integration at site integrals.wolfram.com as it had got very tough). Here's what I got

[tex] \int_{-L_2}^{L_1-L_2} \displaystyle\frac{\sigma}{4\pi\varepsilon_0} \times \displaystyle\frac{z}{\sqrt{y^2+z^2}} \times \left[\displaystyle\frac{\ln(x^2+z^2)}{2y^2}-\displaystyle\frac{\ln(x^2+y^2+z^2)}{2y^2}\right]dz[/tex]

Is this correct?
Is there any way to integrate it further?
 
I don't know whether it is correct or not,i didn't do the calculations...I think your integral can be done.

Use this

[tex]\int \frac{x\ln \left( 1+x^2\right) }{\sqrt{1+x^2}}dx=\allowbreak \sqrt{\left( 1+x^2\right) }\ln \left( 1+x^2\right) -2\sqrt{\left( 1+x^2\right) } +C[/tex]

Daniel.
 
Thanks a lot for the help.

Could you help me in this one?

[tex] \int \sinh u \arctan \left (\sqrt{\displaystyle\frac{a}{b} + \sinh^2 u}\right) du[/tex]
[tex] \Rightarrow \int \sinh u \arctan \left (\sqrt{\displaystyle\frac{a}{b} - 1 + \cosh^2 u}\right) du[/tex]

I tried the substitution [tex]x = \cosh u[/tex] which got me

[tex]\displaystyle\frac{dx}{du} = \sinh u[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow du = \displaystyle\frac{dx}{\sinh u}[/tex]

Substituting

[tex] \int \arctan (\sqrt{c + x^2}) dx \quad where \quad c = \displaystyle\frac {a}{b} - 1[/tex]

Can this one be done?
 
I don't think it's expressible as a combo of familiar special functions,else wolfram's site would have done it...

Daniel.
 

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