Instanteneous velocity question

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The discussion revolves around the concept of instantaneous velocity in the context of two cars, A and B, traveling in a straight line. The original poster questions whether car A must have a greater instantaneous velocity than car B at the moment they are adjacent, particularly when considering different scenarios of constant and accelerating speeds.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the velocities of the two cars, questioning the implications of constant versus accelerating speeds. They discuss whether car A's ability to pass car B necessitates a greater instantaneous velocity at the moment of passing.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which car A can pass car B, with some participants affirming that if both cars are traveling at constant speeds, car B cannot overtake car A once passed. Others note the distinction between constant and accelerating speeds and how that affects the concept of instantaneous velocity.

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Participants are considering various assumptions about the speeds and accelerations of the cars, including the implications of constant speed versus acceleration on the concept of instantaneous velocity. There is a lack of consensus on how these factors interact in the context of the problem.

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two cars A and B are traveling in a straight line. Car A is passing car B and at time t1, car A is adjacent to car B. If each cars are traveling in a constant speed ( each with separate constant speed), at time t1, instanteneous velocity of car A should be greater than car B right?? since in order for car A to pass car B, velocity of car A has to be greater than car B, and since their velocity is constant throughout motion, car A should have greater instanteneous velocity at t1.
also, it shouldn't matter if car B is accelerating and car A is traveling in a constant velocity.. right? since even though B is accelerating car A must have greater velocity at t1 in order to pass car B, therefore instanteneous of car A should still be greater. please correct me if I'm wrong. thank you
 
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two cars A and B are traveling in a straight line. Car A is passing car B and at time t1, car A is adjacent to car B. If each cars are traveling in a constant speed ( each with separate constant speed), at time t1, instanteneous velocity of car A should be greater than car B right?? since in order for car A to pass car B, velocity of car A has to be greater than car B, and since their velocity is constant throughout motion, car A should have greater instanteneous velocity at t1.

Correct. Car A can't pass Car B if they both have constant velocities and car B has a higher one.
also, it shouldn't matter if car B is accelerating and car A is traveling in a constant velocity.. right? since even though B is accelerating car A must have greater velocity at t1 in order to pass car B, therefore instanteneous of car A should still be greater. please correct me if I'm wrong. thank you
Car A can't pass Car B unless its velocity at the time of passing is greater, correct. However, there's no say as to what may happen later on:

The position equation for Car A and Car B are as follows:

[tex]x(t)_a = v_0t[/tex]

[tex]x(t)_b = v_{0b} + \frac{at^2}{2}[/tex]

It is very possible that the initial velocity of car B will be lower than Car A, at which point t=t1 car A will pass, but as t increases, the acceleration will eventually cause car B to pass car A again.
 
two cars A and B are traveling in a straight line. Car A is passing car B and at time t1, car A is adjacent to car B. If each cars are traveling in a constant speed ( each with separate constant speed)

If each car is traveling at a constant speed as you say, then neither car is accelerating, which means that once car A passes car B, car B will not overtake car A again.
 
In fact, if both cars are traveling at constant speed, there is no need to talk about "instantaneous" velocity- instantaneious= average= constant speed will do nicely.

If B is accelerating, then you do need to say "instantaneous". Of course, knowing only the acceleration tells you nothing about the speed at a giving instant.
 

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