How Do Planets Influence Each Other?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the influences that planets exert on each other, primarily focusing on gravitational interactions. Participants explore the implications of planetary positions, particularly the proximity of Mars to Earth, and the conditions under which these influences manifest.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that planetary influences are predominantly gravitational, with proximity affecting the strength of this influence.
  • One participant notes that Mars is currently not closer to Earth due to the gravitational effects of Earth and the elliptical nature of their orbits.
  • Another participant mentions that the distance between Mars and Earth during opposition varies over time, with the current close approach being a rare occurrence.
  • There is a suggestion that Jupiter's gravitational influence on Mars may account for variations in the calculations of Mars' proximity to Earth, although this claim is contested.
  • A later reply emphasizes that for Mars to be particularly close to Earth at opposition, specific orbital conditions must be met, including the positions of both planets in their respective orbits.
  • Participants also discuss the limited exchanges between planets, primarily involving reflected sunlight and occasional meteorites.
  • One participant highlights the cultural influence of planets on human civilization and mentions Jupiter's role in potentially protecting the inner solar system from cometary impacts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of Jupiter's gravitational influence on Mars, with some supporting this idea while others argue against it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact factors influencing Mars' proximity to Earth.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific orbital conditions that must be met for close approaches to occur, indicating a complexity in the calculations that may not be fully resolved.

chetan
What are the influences of planets on other planets ?

As far as I'm concerned I know about the gravitational influence

For example the coming close of Mars near Earth
 
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Planet to planet influences are almost exclusively gravitational. The closer the planets are to each other, the stronger the gravitational influence. But no planet is close enough to Earth to be of concern...even Mars. Mars is not closer to Earth this month due to the Earth's gravity. The orbits of Earth and Mars around the sun are not perfect circles...they are slightly elliptical. Also, the Earth goes around the sun faster than Mars. So, periodically (like once a year plus a bit more) the sun-Earth-Mars line up (Mars is said to be "in opposition"). Because of the non-circular orbits, the distance of Mars from Earth during opposition varies from time to time. This time, it is closer than it has been in about 50,000 to 60,000 years. Still nothing to worry about. The gravitational influence of the Earth's Moon far outweighs the gravitational influence by Mars on Earth.

Not much else is exchanged between planets other than reflected light from the sun and occasional meteorites.

Certainly, the planets have had a lot of cultural influence on human civilization.

Also, Jupiter may protect the inner solar system from some cometary impacts.
 
One of the reasons given for the variation in the calculations for the next time Mars should be as close to the Earth (approx 230 years) and the Possible last time it was so close (5000 to 60,000) was the effect not of our planet's gravitation, but the effect of Jupiter's gravitation on Mars.
 
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One of the reasons given for the variation in the calculations for the next time Mars should be as close to the Earth (approx 230 years) and the Possible last time it was so close (5000 to 60,000) was the effect not of our planet's gravitation, but the effect of Jupiter's gravitation on Mars.
No, I don't think it had anything to do with an influence from Jupiter. Phobos said it right, it was the particular conditions of Earth's and Mars' orbits.

To add a little more, for this "close" event to happen at opposition, Earth would have to be at "Aphelion" (farthest from the sun in orbit) and Mars would have to be at "Perihelion" (closest to the sun), or very near these positions. But, it would seem that this would happen more often than it did since 50,000 to 60,000 years ago. It does. However, there is one more "orbital condition" to consider that I haven't seen mentioned here on PF.

The Earth's orbit is inclined from the ecliptic at 0.00 degrees. (This is how the ecliptic was determined, in relation to Earth only). Mars is inclined at 1.31 degrees. So, not only do we need the Aphelion-Perihelion thing going on, but Mars would have to be at the particular point in orbit where its inclination is 0, or very near to it. It is all three conditions that have to be met to make such a close opposition happen.

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