Big Bang = Big Flow (RHIC Results)

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The discussion revolves around recent results from a particle collider suggesting that the early universe may have behaved like a liquid rather than a gas. Participants explore the implications of these findings for theoretical models, including Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG) and the nature of the Quark-Gluon Plasma (QGP).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight that the universe's early state may resemble a liquid, challenging previous notions of a fiery gas.
  • One participant connects the findings to the LQG model, suggesting it could provide insights into conditions near black hole singularities.
  • There is mention of a "new state of matter" achieved through gold nucleus collisions, with a caution that this may not directly correspond to the early universe's conditions.
  • Some express curiosity about the reasons behind the liquid-like behavior of the early universe and whether such behavior persists today.
  • One participant notes the definition of a perfect fluid, discussing the absence of viscosity and heat conduction in the context of the early universe.
  • A participant draws parallels between the scientific findings and interpretations found in religious texts, though they clarify they are not advocating for any particular viewpoint.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of excitement and skepticism regarding the implications of the collider results. While there is interest in the liquid-like behavior of the early universe, there is no consensus on the interpretations or the direct relevance to current cosmological models.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the experimental results are based on collider experiments and caution against assuming they directly reflect the early universe's state. There are also discussions about the definitions and implications of a perfect fluid, indicating a need for clarity in terminology.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/18/liquid.surprise.ap/index.html

New results from a particle collider suggest that the universe behaved like a liquid in its earliest moments, not the fiery gas that was thought to have pervaded the first microseconds of existence.
 
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Phobos said:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/18/liquid.surprise.ap/index.html

this could provide ways to test the LQG picture of conditions around the classical BH singularity (what Ashtekar calls the 'quantum regime' that replaces the singularity when the model is quantized)
very exciting. thanks for the link.

here is a supplemental link which has animated graphics showing the liquid-like behavior

http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/PR_display.asp?prID=05-38

this also has links to peer-reviewed papers from BNL physicists

for example this technical paper
http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-ex/0501009
talks about:

" (1) initial energy densities above the critical values predicted by lattice QCD for establishment of a Quark-Gluon Plasma (QGP);

(2) nearly ideal fluid flow, marked by constituent interactions of very short mean free path, established most probably at a stage preceding hadron formation;..."
 
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That is awesome. Interesting to think the universe behaved like a liquid. I wonder why it did that. I wonder if we still see the universe behave in this manner to a degree.
 
Oddly enough, this is what the Qu'ran says happened. Genesis, too, sort of...(Note: I am NOT being a proponent of anything in this post, I am just struck by the parallel.)
 
misskitty said:
That is awesome. Interesting to think the universe behaved like a liquid. I wonder why it did that. I wonder if we still see the universe behave in this manner to a degree.
I think they mean perfect fluid, which is a fluid without viscosity and no heat conduction, or, equivalently, isotropic in its rest frame. As far as I know, the reasons for that in the primitive universe were a missing preferred direction in space and a causal contact. I wonder why did this plasma behave in that way.
 
It's important to note that these experimental results are only said to correspond to the early state of the universe. In fact, this "new state of matter" has been achieved by colliding gold nuclei in an accelerator. While they have a good reason to call this state pre-hadron, that doesn't mean it is necessarialy the same as the pre-hadron state of the early universe.
 

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