Proving "Quantitized Dimension" Theory: Answers Needed

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "Quantitized Dimension" theory, exploring the nature of dimensions, volume, and distance in a quantized framework. Participants examine the implications of treating dimensions as discrete units and the potential for proving or disproving this theory through various arguments and analogies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that dimensions can be viewed as a 3-D graph where each coordinate represents the smallest unit of dimension.
  • Another participant questions the assertion that volume and distance must be whole numbers, proposing that fractional values are possible.
  • A participant provides an analogy involving the zooming of a square to illustrate the concept of smallest units within a dimension.
  • One participant critiques the initial argument by stating that if coordinates are the smallest units, it would be impossible to describe values between those units, thus challenging the validity of the argument for quantized dimensions.
  • Another participant discusses the quantization of energy and how it relates to the quantization of space-time, suggesting that the approach to understanding quantized dimensions may not be adequate.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of dimensions and whether they can be quantized. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial statements regarding quantized dimensions, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight limitations in the arguments presented, such as the dependence on definitions of dimensions and the challenges in proving or disproving the quantization of space-time. The discussion also reflects unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the nature of energy and time.

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Recently I was thinking about these statement:
1. Dimension is as if a 3-D graph, which every coordinate is the smallest unit for dimension.
2. Volume of an object is a whole number multiply the volume of the dimension unit.
3. Distance is a whole number multiply the length of the dimension unit.
4. When object travel from one dimension unit to the other, it do this by "looping".

Are there proves that can support this statement or show that this statement is untrue?

Thanks in advanced.
 
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I don't really understand 1.

But for 2-3 : Why should this a whole number, I can have a volume of .000001 units of volume ??
 
A simple analogy will be the 'paint' aplication in the windows. Let say you draw a square. And you click the option zoom. You will find that the square is consist of many small square. The small square is the smallest unit.

I don't know why should(or shouldn"t)2-3 be ture either. This statement just flow through my mind.
 
scilover89 said:
Recently I was thinking about these statement:
1. Dimension is as if a 3-D graph, which every coordinate is the smallest unit for dimension.

Think again. Your "coordinates" or tick marks on the graph are NOT your smallest unit for "dimension". If it is true, you have no way of describing a value that in between those units - unless you practice the discarding of data points that do not fall into clear values. Furthermore, it would be meaningless to draw a continuous curve on your "graph", since you are assuming the existence of an infinite set of continuous values all along the line.

I'm not saying quantized spatial dimension doesn't exist (this is still a research area and conclusive proof is still not here yet). I'm just saying the impetus you are using to argue for its existence is faulty.

Zz.
 
Maybe we could understand this more if we look at how was the conclusion drawn that energy is quantized for example...

This will show that this approach is not good to understand if space-time is quantized :

In fact only the Action is quantized, this comes from the old Bohr-Sommerfeld quantization, starting from the experimental values of Hydrogen levels :

Starting from it : [tex]S=\int_{t_a}^{t_b}L(q,q',t)dt=nh, n\in\mathbb{N}^*[/tex] L is the Lagrangian.

What can we deduce : suppose the particle is moving freely :
[tex]L=\frac{mv^2}{2}[/tex]

hence : [tex]t_b-t_a=nh\frac{2}{mv^2}[/tex]

So if you try to find out if time is quantized, then you have to show that the energy of a free particle is quantized...but the Energy is E=hw...where omega is the pulsation of the wave...hence the energy of a free particle is quantized iff time is quantized...so it's a tautology
 

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