Legendre equation and angular momentum

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The discussion revolves around the Legendre differential equation, specifically the implications of its two types of solutions in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the significance of the second type of solution, which involves logarithmic terms, and its relevance to quantum states and spherical harmonics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the existence of two linearly independent solutions to the Legendre differential equation, questioning the physical significance of the second solution involving ln((1+x)/(1-x)) in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the specific equation being discussed to better understand the context.
  • A participant provides the specific form of the Legendre equation related to angular momentum, indicating the use of separation of variables in the Schrödinger equation.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical applicability of the second independent solution, suggesting it may not satisfy the orthonormality condition required for a complete system of eigenfunctions of the hydrogen atom's Hamiltonian.
  • It is mentioned that the Legendre functions of the second kind are irregular at the poles, which limits their inclusion in normalizable wave functions, and they are rarely encountered in electromagnetic theory.
  • Some participants indicate that these functions may have applications in scattering theory, particularly when extending the scattering amplitude into the complex plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physical relevance of the second type of solution to the Legendre equation, with some arguing against its applicability in quantum mechanics while others explore its potential significance.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the orthonormality of the proposed wavefunctions and their physical interpretation, as well as the limitations imposed by the irregularity of the second kind of Legendre functions.

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Hi all,

I've been doing a math problem about the Legendre differential equation, and finding there are two linearly independent solutions. When I was taught about quantum mechanics the polynomial solutions were introduced to me as the basis for spherical harmonics and consequently the eigenfunctions of the hydrogen atom, etc etc.

But if there's a second type of solution (involving ln((1+x)/(1-x)) ), what significance to QM do they have? I've not been able to find any mention of them in the context of physics, only in math textbooks.

Thanks for any help!
 
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So what is your equation...?Post it,so i can have a clear picture of you're trying to say.

Daniel.
 
(1-x^2) (d^2P/dx^2) - 2x (dP/dx) + l(l+1) P = 0

l being the total angular momentum quantum number, and P being the solution to the theta part of the eigenfunction from the Schrödinger equation after using separation of variables, with x=cos theta

I found the first solution type, say y1, using a series method, and the second, say y2, by doing y2(x)=y1(x)v(x) and finding out what v(x) had to be.
 
If you're going to claim that the second independent solution to Laplace equation is also elligible to describe physically possible quantum states,then u should check it out:do these new wavefunctions obey the orthonormality condition that a complete system of eigenfunctions of the H atom's Hamiltonian must fulfil...?My guess is NO,this thing being similar to the "radial wavefunctions issue" and those Whittaker functions...

Think about it...:wink:

Daniel.
 
The Legendre functions of the second kind, usually designated as Q_n(x), are irregular at the poles. Because of this, they can't be included in a normalizable wave function.
The same argument holds for non-integral l for the P_l(x).
That's also why they don't usually come up in EM theory.
They are used sometimes in scattering theory (along with non-integral l)
when the scattering amplitude is continued into the complex plane.
 
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