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The discussion revolves around calculating the net change in entropy in a system where 1.0 kg of water at 20°C is mixed with 1.0 g of ice at 0°C within a well-insulated calorimeter. The problem involves understanding the heat transfer and entropy changes associated with the melting of ice and the cooling of water.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for the change in entropy for both the water and the ice, questioning the values used for heat transfer and temperature. Some express uncertainty about the correct application of formulas and whether additional factors should be considered.

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Please help.

In a well-insulated calorimeter, 1.0 kg of water at 20C is mixed with 1.0g of ice at 0C. What is the net change in entropy of the system by the moment the ice completely melts? The heat of fusion of ice is 3.34*10^5 J/kg.

I'm not sure how to do this problem. I thought that since it is 1kg of water, change in entropy for that is -4190/293K. I also though that for the ice, it would be (0.001*3.34*10^5)/273 as well as 4190/273 when it melts.

Thank you.
 
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Please help.

In a well-insulated calorimeter, 1.0 kg of water at 20C is mixed with 1.0g of ice at 0C. What is the net change in entropy of the system by the moment the ice completely melts? The heat of fusion of ice is 3.34*10^5 J/kg.

I'm not sure how to do this problem. I thought that since it is 1kg of water, change in entropy for that is -4190/293K. I also though that for the ice, it would be (0.001*3.34*10^5)/273 as well as 4190/273 when it melts.
The change in entropy of the water is:

[tex]\Delta S_{water} = \Delta Q/T_{water}[/tex]

where [itex]\Delta Q[/itex] is the heat loss, which is the same as the heat gained by the ice.

AM
 
Would Q for water just be -4190, or is there something else involved?
I'm also not sure about the ice.
 
You've already calculated the change of Q of the ice (0.001*3.34*10^5). So the change in entropy of the ice is just (0.001*3.34*10^5)/273, which you've done.
Regarding the change in entropy of the water, the change in Q is just the negative of the Q gained by the ice i.e. it would be -(0.001*3.34*10^5). So the change in entropy of the water is just -(0.001*3.34*10^5)/293. So now you can calculate the net change in entropy by just adding them up :)
Hope you understood that, I'm horrible at explaining things
 
Yeah, thank you =)
 

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