Buckling Calculation for I-Section Joists w/ Ball-Jointed Ends

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The discussion revolves around calculating the compressive load that an I-section joist with ball-jointed ends can withstand, particularly focusing on buckling behavior and yield strength. Participants explore the definitions and implications of ball-jointed ends, as well as the necessary calculations for both tension and compression scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jazz seeks clarification on the definition of ball-jointed ends and whether it refers to the base of the I-section joist.
  • One participant explains that ball joint ends do not support a moment and discusses the implications for buckling, suggesting the use of Euler's formula for calculating buckling load.
  • kk provides specific dimensions and material properties of the I-section joist and poses questions about calculating tensile and compressive loads, expressing confusion over the meaning of compressive load with ball-jointed ends.
  • Another participant confirms that the yield stress can be used to find the tensile load and emphasizes the need to consider both compressive yield and buckling for the compressive load calculation.
  • There is a discussion about the effective length of the column in relation to the ball joints and the importance of the cross-sectional area in calculations.
  • Participants clarify that the cross-sectional area of the entire I-section beam should be used for calculations related to the second moment of area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to consider both buckling and yield strength in calculating compressive loads, but there is some confusion regarding the specifics of ball-jointed ends and the effective length of the column. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical details and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of terms and the implications of different loading conditions. There are also references to effective lengths and failure modes that are not fully clarified.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in structural engineering, particularly those dealing with the design and analysis of I-section beams and buckling behavior in structural members.

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Dear all,

I have a question are as follows:

It is a I-Section joist, the question is find the compressive load could it take with ball-jointed ends.

i want to know what is ball-jointed ends ?? is it mean the base of the I-Section joist ??

if yes, what is the surface area i need to consider ?? only the area of ball-jointed ends ?? or whole area ??

Besides, the compressive load is mean the buckling ??

Thanks and best regards,

Jazz
 
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Ball joint ends are such that the supports for your member cannot support a moment.

How is the member loaded? If it is in compression along its axis (in which case you have a 'column' or a 'strut'), it is likely to fail by buckling, especially if the member is quite long. You can use the Euler formulae to calculate the buckling load, based upon the Youngs Modulus (E), Second Moment of Area (I), length of your strut (L), and the applied end conditions (in your case, pinned ends). For this situation, the Euler load (and excuse my lack of Latex skills) is:

W=(Pi^2)EI / L^2


For one fixed end, and one pin jointed end, this load is doubled, if both ends are fixed the load is quadrupled.

Let us know if you don't follow.
 
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Dears,
the detail question is as follow:
An I-section joist has total height 160 mm, total width 120 mm, and the thickness throughout of 5 mm. It is 4m long. It made of steed with yield stress =280MN/m2 and E=210GN/m2.

a) when loaded only in tension along its axis, what tensile load could it take at yield?

b) what compressive load could it take with ball-jointed ends? check buckling and yield.

my problem is
in part a)
i think i can use yield stress=P/area to find the tension.

in part b)
I didn't not understand what is the meaning of compresive load could it take with ball-joint ends ?? Is it mean the compressive load apply at the base of the I section and at x-axis ??

thanks and regards,

kk
 
In regards to part A: Yes. You can use [tex]\sigma = \frac{P}{A}[/tex] and use the yield strength as [tex]\sigma[/tex]

Pt B: The compressive load failure modes you need to look at are compressive yield (which is different than tensile yield) and buckling. The ball joints are in reference to what to use for your effective length of the column. [tex]F_{BUCKLE} = \frac{\pi ^2 E I}{L_e ^2}[/tex] . Like Brewnog mentioned, it is in relation to the column being able to sustain a bending moment at the ends. Most text have a table listing different end conditions and the associated effective lengths. You still use the area of the column in your calculations.
 
Dear FredGarvin

in your last sentence, the column means the area only base part of the I-Beam ?

regards,

jazz
 
The cross sectional area of your beam plays a part in your calculation of I, - the Second Moment of Area.
 
I know that it is necessary t ofind the min Ixx or Iyy for second moment of the area.

I think I should use the whole I-section beam to for area calculation.

thanks a lot
 
With your simple tension and compression calculations, take the area to be the cross sectional area of the I beam.
 

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