Understanding the Terms in the 1-D Schrodinger Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physical significance of the terms in the one-dimensional time-independent Schrödinger equation. Participants explore various interpretations and approaches to understanding the equation, including its implications in quantum mechanics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the physical significance of each term in the time-independent Schrödinger equation.
  • Another participant questions the initial inquiry, suggesting that the asker should share their own understanding or research.
  • A participant mentions that the question is part of exam revision and expresses confusion regarding the deeper significance of the terms beyond their definitions.
  • One participant outlines two approaches to understanding the equation: a traditional axiomatic approach and a symmetry-based approach, referencing J.J. Sakurai's work.
  • Another participant argues that the two approaches described appear similar, emphasizing the relationship between the Hamiltonian and the state vector's rate of change.
  • A participant interprets the terms of the equation, suggesting that the first term represents kinetic energy, the second potential energy, and the right side indicates total energy, framing it as a statement about energy conservation.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of the potential energy term, with one participant explaining it as related to conservative forces acting on the system.
  • Another participant provides a specific example, stating that in the case of the hydrogen atom, the potential energy corresponds to the electrostatic potential energy between the proton and electron.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approaches to understanding the Schrödinger equation, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the terms or the significance of the various approaches discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of their understanding and the need for further clarification on specific terms, such as the potential energy term, without resolving these uncertainties.

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what is the physical significance of each of the terms in the 1-D time indipendant Schrödinger equation?
 
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Why are u asking us...?What are your ideas...?What u've read,i presume it's not a curiosity,but some sort of homework.

Daniel.
 
The question is from last years exam that i am doing for revision. however i have no answers, my notes are a little sketchy when they get round to Schrödinger equation and QMT...

i am aware of the definition of each of the terms, but the question wants more than this, namely the 'physical significance' of each of these terms. That is what i am puzzled at.
 
I see.There are two ways of looking at it.Traditional way,in which the equation is postulated and everything is deduces from there,or the symmetry way,i'd like to call it J.J.Sakurai way.

So the trick is simple.The axiomatical approach asserts that the speed of variation in time of the state vector is proportional to the hamiltonian applied to that state vector.The other way,is to derive this equation by stating that the Hamiltonian of the system is the self-adjoint generator of the abelian group of time translations...

So,for further reference for this interesting symmetry-based approach,i invite you to read the second chapter (i think the 2-nd or the 3-rd section) from [1].

Daniel.

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[1]J.J.Sakurai,"Modern Quantum Mechanics",Addison-Wesley,any of the 2 editions.
 
I think he said time-independent, as opposed to time-dependent. Furthermore, the two approaches you have mentioned look exactly the same to me. One of them says that the rate of change of the state vector is given by the Hamiltonian acting on the state vector, the other says the Hamiltonian (is self-adjoint, but that's obvious anyway) generates infinitesimal translations in time, which is the rate of change.
 
The equation reads

[tex]\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\Psi}{\partial x^2} + V\Psi = E\Psi[/tex]

If you divide out [tex]\Psi[/tex] then the first term could be interpreted as the kinetic energy, the second potential energy and the right side as the total energy. So basically its a statement about energy conservation.

Remember that [tex]\frac{p^2}{2m}[/tex] is replaced by [tex]\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}[/tex] in QM.

Offcourse its not legal to divide out the [tex]\Psi[/tex], so the first term is some kinetic energy times a probability density function, and so on.
 
Could you explan what is V (the potential energy)?
 
Well, that's in 1D cartesian. Being more rigorous, the first term becomes

[tex]\frac{-\hbar^2\nabla^2}{2m}\Psi[/tex]

as the momentum operator is:

[tex]\hat p=-i\hbar\nabla[/tex]
 
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Could you explan what is V (the potential energy)?

V is the potential energy related to some kind of conservative force acting on the system to which you are applying the Schrödinger equation.

For example, if you're solving the equation for the hydrogen atom, V is the electrostatic potential energy of the proton and the electron.
 

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