Using Newtons 2nd law in an elevator

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The discussion revolves around applying Newton's second law in the context of a person jumping in an elevator. The scenario involves a person weighing 55 kg and the scale reading 622 N at the moment of the jump, prompting questions about the acceleration experienced by the individual.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the person, including the force from the scale and gravitational force. There are questions about the relevance of the elevator's motion and the timing of the scale reading. Some participants suggest considering the problem from different frames of reference.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the forces at play and questioning the assumptions behind the problem setup. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem, such as whether the scale reading occurs while the person is airborne or just before jumping. There is also mention of needing additional information to fully address the question.

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if a guy is in an elevator (55 kg for the person), and then he jumps straight uo- the scale will read 622 N. what is the acceleration of the guy at this instant?

how do you deal with this b/c i don't know how to do it unless he is still standing on the scale. i know there should be an acceleration. could someone help me start this question?

thanks, Lisa
 
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eoxygurl03 said:
if a guy is in an elevator (55 kg for the person), and then he jumps straight uo- the scale will read 622 N. what is the acceleration of the guy at this instant?

how do you deal with this b/c i don't know how to do it unless he is still standing on the scale. i know there should be an acceleration. could someone help me start this question?

thanks, Lisa

I don't see any connection to the elevator, Maybe this is part of a bigger problem. The scale reads the force it is applying to the guy. Gravity is also acting on him. His acceleration is the result of the net force, which is force from scale less his weight.
 
You perhaps want to know how the laws can be applied to noninertial frames. Well, I recommend (especially if you are new) that you do this problem using the conventional method. What are the forces on a body in an elevator? And what is the acceleration of the body as seen by an observer in an inertial frame?
 
Referring to your Question,Liza.
By Newon's 2nd Law's of Motion, using the formula F= ma, you can find the acceleration.
 
This is an interesting question because if he is in the air when the scale reads 622 N, then the man's mass has nothing to do with that force. Are you sure that's the exact question? You might need to know other things.
 
thats what the question asked. but I'm thinking maybe it really means the instant right before he jumps b/c you really need to use the weight in the -x direction or else the question is riddiculous. Make sense??
 
pardon me: weight in the -y direction
 

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