Spherical cap moment of inertia

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The discussion revolves around finding the formula for the moment of inertia of a spherical cap relative to the axis perpendicular to its flat area. Participants explore the mathematical integration required to derive this formula, including comparisons to the moment of inertia of a full sphere and a half sphere.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks the formula for the moment of inertia of a spherical cap and mentions the need for triple integration.
  • Another participant suggests that the moment of inertia of a half sphere is half that of a full sphere and questions how this relates to the cap's moment of inertia.
  • A different participant proposes calculating the moment of inertia of the cap based on the volume of the half sphere and the relationship between the cap volume and half sphere volume.
  • One participant provides an integral for calculating the moment of inertia for a half sphere and suggests modifying the limits for the cap.
  • A retired chemist presents a detailed calculation involving the height and radius of the cap, expressing uncertainty about the implications of their results and the disappearance of height in their formula.
  • Another participant acknowledges potential errors in their reasoning and calculations, particularly regarding the relationship between the cap and half sphere moments of inertia.
  • A participant discusses the complexity of the integration process and suggests using software like Maple for assistance.
  • One participant reflects on their previous mistakes in calculations and expresses gratitude for the help received in clarifying their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and differing views on the correct approach to calculating the moment of inertia of the spherical cap. There is no consensus on the final formula or the implications of the results presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the integration involved and the challenges in relating the moment of inertia of the cap to that of the half sphere. Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about the geometry and dimensions of the cap.

André Verhecken
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Hi, I'm trying to find the formula for the moment of inertia of a spherical cap relative to the axis perpendicular to its flat area. I know it should be done by (triple) integration, but it's a very long time since I've done that kind of math ! So, if someone out there knows the formula ...
 
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André Verhecken said:
Hi, I'm trying to find the formula for the moment of inertia of a spherical cap relative to the axis perpendicular to its flat area. I know it should be done by (triple) integration, but it's a very long time since I've done that kind of math ! So, if someone out there knows the formula ...
The moment of a full sphere is 2MR^2/5. How would the moment of inertia of 1/2 a sphere be related to the moment of inertia of the full sphere?

AM
 
That's easy: half of that, of course. But further on ? Do you suggest that the Moment Of Inertia of the cap is then to be calculated from the half sphere volume and the relation between cap volume and half sphere volume ?
AV
 
André Verhecken said:
That's easy: half of that, of course. But further on ? Do you suggest that the Moment Of Inertia of the cap is then to be calculated from the half sphere volume and the relation between cap volume and half sphere volume ?
AV
From your initial statement of the problem, I assumed that 'cap' referred to a portion of the solid sphere.

Look at the integral for calculating the moment of inertia for a half sphere:

[tex]I = \frac{1}{2}\rho\pi \int_{0}^R (R^2 - z^2)^2 dz[/tex]

To find the moment of a portion you just integrate from z_0 rather than 0.

AM
 
As a retired chemist, it’s a very long time (40 years) that I haven’t done any integration calculus, so I forgot quite a lot of it. But I’ll try:

Let’s consider a sphere (radius R, density ρ) from which a cap is cut with a height (= the “arrow”) h and a radius of the cut circle: r. Then I name H = R – h.

Integrating your formula for a half sphere for z = 0 to R gives the familiar I = m R2 / 5

Integration for z = 0 to H (which is the same as z = 0 to R – h) gives I = m (R – h)2 / 5

So that I (cap) = m (R2 – (R- h)2 ) / 5

= m h (2R – h) / 5

In my problem, R is unknown; only r and h are measured. But R is easily calculated as:

R = (r2 + h2) / 2 h

Substituting R in the formula for I(cap) then yields : I(cap) = m r2 / 5

This may be correct or it may be wrong (I cannot grasp it intuitively): the moment of inertia of a thin cap with cut circle radius r should be the same as that of a half sphere with radius r; and moreover, h has disappeared ! This would mean that any cap with radius of cut circle = r, cut from any sphere with radius > R, would obey this formula, and this seems impossible to me (although the formula is correct when r = R). I fear there is something fishy in my reasoning or my calculus.
I would appreciate if you would point out my error !

AV
 
André Verhecken said:
This may be correct or it may be wrong (I cannot grasp it intuitively): the moment of inertia of a thin cap with cut circle radius r should be the same as that of a half sphere with radius r; and moreover, h has disappeared ! This would mean that any cap with radius of cut circle = r, cut from any sphere with radius > R, would obey this formula, and this seems impossible to me (although the formula is correct when r = R). I fear there is something fishy in my reasoning or my calculus.
[tex]I = \frac{1}{2}\rho\pi \int_{z_0}^R (R^2 - z^2)^2 dz[/tex]

[tex]z_0 = R-h[/tex]

Expand:

[tex]I = \frac{1}{2}\rho\pi(\int_{z_0}^R (R^4 -2R^2z^2 + z^4)dz)[/tex]

Separate the integrals:

[tex]I = \frac{1}{2}\rho\pi(\int_{z_0}^R R^4 dz -\int_{z_0}^R 2R^2z^2dz + \int_{z_0}^R z^4dz)[/tex]

Simplifying that is a bit of a chore but it should give you the result in terms of R and h ([itex]z_0 = (R-h)[/itex]). You then have to work out the volume of the cap and substitute for [itex]\rho = M/V[/itex]. It is a non-trivial exercise. This is the kind of thing that Maple was created for!

AM
 
I did use exactly the same formulas as you gave now, but I found where I went wrong the other day: I calculated the separated integrals for R, and then presumed that the result for z° would we similar in form. So for this second calculation I forgot that R is not a variable.
I did the calculation again, and avoided the simplifying by entering the somewhat complex formula as such in Excel : it works !

Thanks for your stimulating help !
AV
 

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